Meh. Can we have the same meme but with old rich men?
If you want to represent the generations that fucked the climate up for gain, let’s pick folks who look a bit more like those who did.
No war but the class war.
You’re just working for the billionaires when you post divisive nonsense like this.
True, but it is hard to ignore that the a certain class seems to be centralized/condensed to one generation specifically. And that generation also consistently and energetically supports them to the day they die.
I don’t think members of Green Peace switched to supporting it.
Hello there.
Members of Green Peace protested the use of seal fur and meat, the act of “seal clubbing” and the sale of seal products. This was one of the main sustainable economies in the North. As a result, the communities living there were forced to engage in oil drilling and seismic testing in order to earn money. Still, the fact that seal products are no longer profitable have plunged these indigenous and rural populations into poverty.
The moral of this story is when you see some sort of big moral outrage about something, whether the moral outrage is coming form the left, right, or middle, whether it’s “save the animals,” “save the children,” “save religion,” whatever, you need to do some sort of basic, casual research into what type of bandwagon you’re thoughtlessly jumping on.
Not sure of the relevance to my argument.
Members of Green Peace supported, and still support, global warming, even though they don’t know that’s what they’re doing.
From your story the communities were the ones supporting it. Maybe Green Peace just wanted them to die out?
Fuck you man
People over 55 own 73% of the US, heavily outweighing billionaires. Boomers alone outweigh billionaires assets by nearly 10x. Any time you see BlackRock, Vanguard, etc as major shareholders of a company, that means it’s mostly boomers’ 401ks and pension funds. Billionaires themselves are mostly old so really they’re just the top of the iceberg of a much larger problem.
Gen X might be the last generation to retire in the US, for millennials it’s starting to look unlikely. There just aren’t enough people to exploit anymore. Ideally everyone should have 3 kids, but as an interim solution you can start importing workers from 3rd world countries.
Other western countries may not have it as bad with the imbalance, but most are growing worse over time.
It’s grandma’s fault IF she voted for climate unfriendly folks. Else, this is just edgy genz ageism. Ageism isn’t cool.
My parents and grandparents on both sides were/are straight ticket Republican. Told me climate change was a hoax.
Now parents tell me “well we figure oh well we will be dead by the time really bad stuff happens”.
This stereotype exists for a fucking reason.
*most stereo types exist for a reason, good and bad. Regardless of whether you like it or not.
Hmmm. Not this boomer. Guess I am anecdotal. As long as we keep the attitude that it’s the boomers and not the billionaires, we are royally fucked. But hey you do you.
Who do you think owns those companies doing all the climate unfriendly things?
If you see the likes of BlackRock or Vanguard in the list, that’s mostly retirement funds, meaning it’s mostly old people retiring off those companies. Grandma is an Exxon-Mobil shareholder and a Meta shareholder and absolutely invested in the AI industry through her nvidia holdings. She just doesn’t know any of it, but all of it is being done for her benefit as part of the ownership class.
People over 55 own 73% of all the assets in the US.
Plot twist, none of them actually do anything about climate change
Millennial and genz ageism. Which makes me wonder what’ll happen when the last GenXer dies, millennials are still whining about student loans and not being able to afford a house
Ah yes, I remember when my grandmother spent a century undermining scientific research on climate change through a massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests
Did your Grandma vote for and openly support the massive campaign of exaggerating scientific uncertainty and overwhelming news media all while increasing consumption worldwide to 103 million barrels per day and promoting the development of the military-industrial complex to secure her interests?
If so, then yes she is also at fault for the reason it isn’t Cold in October anymore.
Oh another thing my grandmother is personally responsible for is fomenting working class infighting to keep people squabbling and not looking upwards at the people who are the real cause of problems. That was also her specifically.
Oh you don’t need to throw the class problem at me. I’m very well aware, but it’s cute you think this is an attack on your Me-ma’s cookies while the scary black man has a cookie too.
But your grandma, you, and everyone reading this comment has a choice when it comes to democracy. You can vote for people to represent you who support your values, support your beliefs, and allow you to hold them accountable if they don’t do as their “employers” voted them to do. Voting for someone is a show of personal value. If you vote for a candidate who is anti-climate change, you are against the idea of climate change. I am married to a trans person and if I ever voted for someone who wanted to eliminate “transgenderism”, I’d be voting to kill my partner, thus not supporting their right to exist even though I’m married to them.
Are there much larger contributors to climate pollution that we should worry about? Yes.
Are there billionaires that are the cause of the majority of the issues in the world? Yes.
Should we fucking do something about that? Yes.
But until you or I are willing to put bullets through brains and have a The Purge event for billionaires, we need to vote for people who will actually do something about the contributors to pollution, or to reign in the amount of money billionaires are able to siphon from the rest of us. And that starts by voting for people at regional and city levels, and go from there.
Sorry, I believe your vote is a representation of you as a person. But that vote could be at the ballot box, or a college campus in Orem, Utah in September of 2025.
My grandma was not allowed to vote in the Chinese nor Indian elections.
Speak for yourself I’m wrapped in my blanket, but thats because of massive draft in my apt
No way, me too!
Damn, can’t believe those boomers and the way they’re abusing the means of production consciously and not as victims of propaganda like the rest of the working class!
So are boomers responsible for everything that’s wrong in the world now or just climate change?
Rich boomers are. Like actually rich.
So most of them, relative to younger people. Median boomer in the US is almost a millionaire and boomers collectively own 52% of the US. People over 55 own 73%. Majority of them benefit from whatever publicly traded corpos do because they have retirement funds.
And the poor boomers that vote conservative because they believe in hierarchies, like my parents. The ones that vote for wars and defunding education and are pro corporations.
No, its clearly the kids who are at fault… if they were born 50 years sooner they coulda fixed it
The Trump administration officially eliminated the 2009 EPA “endangerment finding,” stripping the federal government of its legal authority to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.The administration rolled back regulatory requirements for automakers, loosening curbs on gasoline-powered vehicle pollution. Trump has heavily promoted a “drill, baby, drill” energy agenda, easing limits on industrial pollutants and attempting to keep aging fossil-fuel infrastructure online. He routinely mocks climate science on social media, frequently pointing to severe winter weather or downward revisions in worst-case climate projections as supposed evidence against global heating.The most uneducated buffoon in history stands at a podium, bloated with self-importance, lips pursed like a carnival barker ready to sell turd milk to the unsuspecting. He grins a grotesque smirk stretched across his face as he scrawls his name onto a hollow decree, a sham celebration of the dismantling of knowledge itself. The Department of Education falls, not with a bang, but with wheezing verbs, suffocated under the weight of his own staggering ignorance. Surrounding him are the usual suspects: cowards in expensive suits, servile sycophants clapping like trained seals, and racist opportunistic ghouls picking clean the bones of democracy. Liars, fools, and thieves all parasites fattening themselves on the hardships of the many. They stand in rigid formation, dead-eyed and soulless, their allegiance sworn not to country, not to principle, but to power, and the dark, festering rot that clings to it. And there he is the convicted wrong, the living embodiment of septic tank spew, his voice a noxious fog of grift and grievance. He lectures the world on right and wrong, irony clawing at the walls, desperate to escape the grotesque theatre of his moral void. The stomach turns, the air curdles, and for a moment, history itself recoils watching, in horror, as the great American experiment teeters on the precipice, led by a man who couldn’t spell “precipice” if his life depended on it.
I don’t hate 'Muricans (with about a 60% notable exception for those who voted orange, or sat idly by)
But I HATE 'Murica
It has always been a shitty, cruel, vulgar place
The physical country itself is actually beautiful, aside from the urban dystopias.
Yeah, I go out and see the natural wonders when I’m there as much as I can
No it isn’t. It’s a complex issue with enough blame to spread around. Most of the fault lies with the fossil fuel companies that covered up climate change, lied for decades and bought the politicians.
Fossil fuels, petrochemical refining and usage, industrialized meat “farming,” clothing/fast fashion, cement.
Tbf they voted for them
If you can vote for politician A and politician B, and both of them are bought by the fossil fuel companies, to what extent are you to blame?
And if citizens can be held accountable for the actions and choices that their goverment has made, even if they have no real say in them, and that government has committed war crime after war crime abroad, killing literal millions, does that mean citizens are a legitimate target for retaliatory attacks? Was the Dresden firebombing justified? Was 9/11 justified? Were the atomic bombs dropped on Japan justified?
Your options are much greater than voting for politician A or politician B
Dont let your political program be handed down to you.
I was responding to
Tbf they voted for them
hence my focus on voting, because that’s what he was talking about. But also your broader comment is not a good argument for ageism. Plenty of members of the boomer generation exercised other political options than voting. They were not successful, but many of them did try. At any rate, blaming an entire generation for policy failures is about as valid as blaming Trump’s policy failures on folks who voted for Harris.
Sure, but I dont think they as a generation did nearly enough regarding climate change specifically.
And as far as voting goes, they pretty regularly made up the core voter base of administrations which denied or ignored climate change
Have you considered directing your ire at the folks who’ve bought our politicians to advocate for pro-fossil fuel policies, and the folks who bought our media to popularize pro-fossil fuel positions instead of at their victims?
Yes. They suck too. But they suck as a rule, whereas boomers only suck in general.
Democrats have a better record on climate change than Republicans do
Sure, but making it worse at a slightly slower rate is still making it worse. The most recent democratic presidential candidate was pro fracking.
Only so much as was necessary to keep the carrot on the stick
Not everyone is an American
I figured people could extrapolate, but here goes for your benefit:
If you can vote for politicians P1 through PN where N is an integer greater than or equal to 1, and all of them are bought by the fossil fuel companies, to what extent are you to blame?
Some nations are less corrupt, and even actively have more renewables than any other source of fuel and energy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_renewable_electricity_production
Just cause USA is #115 on percentage of energy that’s renewable energy doesn’t mean those 114 other countries magically don’t exist
So with your calculation, N=0 in for example Iceland
That only holds true for the US. Plenty of choice where I grew up.
It’s scary and yet many people refuse to believe in climate change. I’ve had argument with a denier on social media. I can tell that the person is not being deliberately malicious, because he did let up on some points, but he’s the type to kick the can down the road and hopelessly hoping to deal with the problem later on. I think a lot of people who handwaves the seriousness of climate change prefer to look the other way. I know far too many people who are like this even if it’s not about climate change.
I’ve been the weird environmentally conscious kid for more than 30 years. People’s attitudes haven’t changed. The arguments haven’t changed. You’ll still find people who immediately get excited about global warming, because they like warm weather.
Some people are just astonishingly stupid, and yet, they walk around and talk and have jobs and can appear to be normal. That’s because they are normal. It is normal to be stupid.
Here they claim it as a “natural process”. Good ol denial
It is a natural process as humans are natural.
And we are releasing natural stuff that is accelerating the change of the climate.
It’s much easier to pretend humans aren’t impacting it if people are allowed paint humans actions as outside nature. We are a huge part of nature, there’s 6 billion of us.
You mean 8 billion?
Ah you don’t know about that some of us are changelings
Fair enough
Marketing gimmick so the evils can keep on eviling
My dad believes in this
I know scientifically minded people who view it both as ‘hysteria,’ and for what remains, something that geoengineering can solve in the future.
In other words, look up the WSJ article advocating for fossil fuel production maximization as a net economic optimization in the long term, basically ‘better to maximize efficiency and minimize suffering now, to better geoengineer solutions in the future.’
…I read geoengineering papers. They are horrific. As in “our state-of-the-art-solution would… pour acid rain over the ice caps. And it’s still economically unfeasible, but less unfeasible. And maybe it will blunt things some?”
I’m offended such arguments are being presented.
But I can see right where those opinions come from, as with every twist of climate change denialism.
The environmental conspiracists are right. It really is Big Oil and such groups, from what I can see.
it reminds me of this quote from game of thrones, is not the same thing, but it gives the same vibe about the scope of people’s thinking and worries: “The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.”
Blaming older generations instead of the powerful and wealthy is dumb and counterproductive.
The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy. They went gleefully along with tax policy designed to move money to the top, anti union legislation, increasing costs of education, stymieing environmental regulation, not pursuing and enforcing trust busting measures, offshoring industry, etc , etc. They weren’t the driving force, you could claim they were tricked, but it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it. And they by and large continue to support all that same shit.
And Gen-Z helped elect Trump in 2024.
Saying that problems are because if a certain group of people is just dumb analysis. It is always about broader systems of power. Capitalism has it’s ways to bend democracy to it’s will.
The ruling class wants you to blame the elderly for the problems in the world. Because then you aren’t focused on the real issues.
If we really wanna fix problems instead of fighting each other, we need to really stop bigotry in all it’s forms and start becoming class conscious.
So the real issue here arent the thoughts and actions of Boomers and Gen X even though we are here because of those thoughts and actions?
Older generations also elected FDR four times and created the only social safety nets we have, created the EPA, eliminated smog, cleaned up our rivers, created the endangered species list, etc.
I’m getting really sick of how easily some of you fall for these obvious divide and conquer tactics. Wake the fuck up and actually think critically for once. Climate change is far more of a class issue than generational one.
Conservatives blame immigrants and minorities for their problems, liberals blame old people. People are fooled so fucking easily but I bet you think you’re so much smarter than magats.
People are fooled so fucking easily but I bet you think you’re so much smarter than magats.
Dang, I sure hope I never run into one of those types who think they’re the smartest person in the room. That sound’s insufferable.
That wasn’t boomers, that was an earlier generation.
It’s the continued support and denial instead of contrition that makes this meme fine for me. Don’t want to be targeted? Make it right.
So by your nonsensical logic the current young generation is at fault for ceding more power than have been ceded in a long time to fascist oligarchs in the US.
It is plain bullshit nonsense. And you have gobbled up all of the ageism propaganda created by the oligarch propagandeers to make you completely forget the actual issue of class war.
Can’t they both be at fault?
The older generation ceded our power to the wealthy.
Did they actually? Or are you just saying that?
it was their own short sighted greed and often bigotry that allowed them to go along with it
Did we take any kind of vote on our actual energy policy? Did we collectively decide to build highways over railways or big trucks over dense housing blocks at some point?
Who decided to tear up the streetcars?
The Americans who believe their democracy is real are as bad as the ones who believe climate change is fake.
Oh, okay- so you’re just cowards who spent half a century allowing it because you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort.
you didn’t want to risk your relative comfort
I’m still not sure who this “you” is.
Who do you think invented the Solar Panel? Who has been the most rapid adopters? Who built the wind farms? Who did the research that tells us Climate Change is even happening?
Literally the same thing the next two generations are still doing?
Did I suggest they were any better?
I mean… they’re not. But fuck you for that disingenuous little sleight of hand where “they didn’t fight fascism hard enough” somehow becomes equivalent to “we voted for the fascists,” and also fuck you for making me defend their cowardly asses.
The generation wars are bullshit.
But we cant deny one generation has moved america to where it is and they still refuse to admit theyre in the driver’s seat, are too drunk to drive, and insist only they can do it
Ya, my grandma never had a private jet or a megayacht. Not sure how her 300sq ft bungalow she lived in for 40 years and tending a community garden plot led to the environmental and socioeconomical issues we face now.
But they did elect the politicians who caused the damage. A majority, anyway.
And Americans did elect trump who is ruining the world. The majority of people are voting with their money day by day to make billionaires more rich, and our only home more and more unhabitable even now. Nothing new, same old shit, same patterns.
Trump didn’t just suddenly get to where he was. He’s the result of over 50 years worth of Republicans fucking the country.
somebody voted GOP to have Trump in charge and paying companies to NOT block wind farms, somebody keeps buying giant trucks and voting to rip up bike lanes etc
So no young people voted for Trump? A lot of the no kings protestors are old people.
Generational war is a way to distract from class war, and a way to disconnect people from being inspired by the long HISTORY of class struggle.
The 8 hour day? Unions? The wellfare system (such as it is), maybe Grandma was on the picket lines for some of that too? Especially likely if she was poor.
There are labour activists and socialists in every generation.
I’m not enjoying being in the first generation to be poorer than my parents’. This is not a distraction; it’s a big fucking deal.
My parents, personally, have not really contributed to the problem. They vote sensibly, they have been climate conscious (especially my dad) for wayy longer than most people. But those are individual stories amongst the overall picture.
On the wider point, being on the picket lines fighting for workers’ rights doesn’t have much bearing on whether you then voted to take money out of the public services your parents created, which you benefited from, so that you could enrich yourself personally.
I think you might have a slight fuzziness in your history here, too. The labour movement, at least in my country, reached its peak in the first decades of the 20th century. Boomers were born around the 50s, reaching adulthood around the 70s. We already had a minimum wage, 8 hour days, weekends, paid holiday, sick leave, etcetera. We already had a welfare system. Around this time, the “post-war economic consensus” was being dismantled, and public services were being sold off to private investors. If we’re just looking at the resolution of generations, the prototypical grandma wasn’t doing the things you’re talking about - they were done by her mother or grandma or others.
Again, this is a broad brush with room for variation within generations. But there’s a section of the online left that wants to remove all responsibility for anything, especially climate change, from ordinary people. As if we can but do the bidding of billionaires. But if a population votes for climate change, or votes to dismantle public services, they deserve the blame.
The meme doesn’t say parents or boomers, it says Grandma.
wow
Environmentalists from the prior generations aren’t real. Nobody has ever done anything about climate change ever before and they’re not doing anything now and they never will.
That’s why the best way to fight climate change is to divide into generational cohorts and scream “Your Fault!” at everyone older.
…and did nothing to establish todays wide spread organizations, networks, ideas, and engagement. History doesn’t exist!
It’s hilarious that people blame boomers and nepotism for the problems of the world without seeing the contradiction.
They voted for it.
No they fucking didn’t. Fascists voted for it, not age.
Ok, I will blame you then, yta4qcam2a9j7EfTgHrh
My parents keep saying “it’s always been like this here”
Funny. My parents say the same thing. “This is just fear mongering. We had warm Autumns in my childhood.”
Then I go look into the actual data of what their warmest years were and it’s nowhere near what we’re experiencing these days.
My father watched the snowcaps melt off the mountains, and still supports the sort of people who want more drilling.
You don’t even need to go into “actual data” which can be hand waved away as conspiracy by Big Whatevs. Find pictures of the past. Halloween photos, back to school pictures, stuff like that.
Thats been startling here even over 10 years. Last year I was in my shorts and a thin hoodie feeling warm. My phone popped up “memories from 10 years ago” and it was us at the same event in big coats looking cold and miserable.
Don’t panic yet. Give corporations and their store-bought politicians time to convince us it’s normal.
Holy fuck. So this is the start of Super El Nino. I’m gonna call it, “winter that wasn’t”.
I already didn’t get a winter last year. It was 60°F almost the entire time 🫠
Canadian here. Haven’t turned on heating in a year and a half at least. Sitting beside an open sliding glass door and currently considering turning on a fan. It’s almost 9pm.
In Canada!?
Yes, Canadians experience 9PM too. They didn’t used to, but a Supreme Court decision clarified the matter in 2017.
Where in Canada? Maybe I’ll treat it like a Miami beach visit or something.
The Winter of 2000 was also like this. We were working on our cars with t-shirts, in Minnesota, and it was 42-50(something) a lot of the winter.
But that was abnormal. When I was a kid in PA there would be snow by Halloween, and come december you expected snow to stay until march. There were occasional exceptions, like 60 degrees in februrary, or 100 something in mid summer, but those were like once a decade events. Now we barely have snow that lasts more than like a couple weeks before it gets warm enough to melt everything.
wintern’t
Winter is not coming.
Impose voting rights restrictions that reduce their access. Take the average life expectancy in your country, reduce the number by whatever the voting age is in your country. Cut off their right to vote by that number.
In the USA, where you can vote at 18, if the average life expectancy is 81 (made up a number), voting would end after 63. Pretty good way to ensure longterm thinking prevails.
october used to be dry, we had torrential rainfall yesterday
It baffels me how many here seem to think that climate change is a billionaire problem. Are you really serious about this? (genuine question)
What makes you think that way? Its so obviously not true.
Look around you. Imagine you can see CO2. Coming out of the cars around you, the airplanes overhead, trucks and cargo ships delivering your consumer goods, tractors and harvesters on the nearby fields. Are the cars Ferrairs? The planes private jets? The trucks and cargo ships transporting exquisite furniture? The farmers producing kobe beef?
Must be comfortable in your world…
I’m sorry, who has the hundreds of millions of dollars to spend on buying elections, lobbying politician, and putting out propaganda to make sure that policies continue to favor consumption of fossil fuels, use of cars, lax environmental regulations for businesses, wars, and growth at any cost oriented consumption?
Is it the people driving in the cars on their way to work because they can’t afford to live close to where they work and there’s no adequate public transportation to get there? Last I checked it wasn’t.
People do have a responsibility to organize for collective action, but simply blaming them for living in the environment they were born into is missing the point on both moral culpability and practical action.
No need to be sorry, i’m here to discuss, thank you for the reply :)
So you see the billionaire problem as billionaries using their power to prevent necessary action. Ok, i agree that this is part of the problem.
But the “peope are selfish idiots” part is much larger.
The propaganda works because it is what people want to hear. And they want to hear that [climate change does not exist/wont be that bad/wont be worse than not burning fossils/but china/can not be stopped anyway] because they then dont have to change their lifestyle. And, at least in my bubble, “but the billionaires” (burning a lot more fuel with their yachts and private jets) or “but then only the rich can affort it” is another of these excuses.
Are the cars Ferrairs? The planes private jets? The trucks and cargo ships transporting exquisite furniture? The farmers producing kobe beef?
The point went so far over your head that you won’t be able to observe light emitted by the point until at least a couple years from now.
