And the judge determined she had it coming.
My father is a drumpf loving dumbass too. At one point he threatened me over the phone, saying that there was a “war coming,” and I should “pick the right side.”
I think what happened is the dad brought her into the bedroom to threaten her with the gun, pointing it right at her, and then “accidentally” fired. But how much of an accident can you call it, when you point a loaded hand-gun at someone, with the safety OFF, and your finger ON the trigger?
In the fathers eyes, it was an accident. But we all know that’s bullshit.
I carried a small baby and a ladder with me to the alligator pit at the zoo. I set the ladder up next to the pit, I climbed to the top of the ladder and held the baby out over the alligator pit. But oh no officer! The baby just, whoops! slipped through my hands! Purely accidental! I definitely didn’t want to feed my baby to the alligators!
He murdered his daughter because he valued a rapists lies over his daughters life. He’s a piece of shit, and I hope his every waking moment is haunted.
He created a scenario where an accident was very very likely because some part of him is willing to take great risks with other people’s lives just to defend his own ego.
We ARE at war. Anyone still harboring hope for a true-believer Trumper is like the person in the zombie movie fighting the other survivors screaming, “There’s still a human being in there!”
They are at war. You are most certainly not.
True, it seems only MAGA are doing any real fighting. The rest of us are just “too good to stoop to their level” type thing. They stormed the capitol over what they believed to be an unfair election. We look at a capitol filled with paedophilic murderous fascists and all we do is bitch online about it while waiting for someone else to do something.
Because it’s not a fucking war. We don’t win by shooting people and killing children. We win with lawyers and general strikes. BECAUSE IT’S NOT A FUCKING WAR. That belief is part of the mind control; the culture war is propaganda to set left against right instead of bottom against top, and you’re eating it up. It works on the left just as well as on the right. You’re not immune just because you don’t support Trump!!
I literally just said that we’re looking at the top and not doing anything about it. MAGA are eating up the “culture war” bullshit and are even shooting their own daughters over it. Tell me where in my comment where I said we should shoot them back, I’m saying that “we are the bottom looking at the top and ain’t doing shit.” Be sure to let me know when lawyers or general strikes happen or start working because shit’s going downhill real fast, and we’re looking at the monsters on the top and saying “they deserve peace.”
It is a fucking war - a class war. You’re the one eating up the bullshit that these billionaires deserve a peaceful response. Good luck with that as they laugh looking down at your peaceful protests from their penthouse windows. As they look at our precious legislation as pieces of paper to wipe their asses with. At least I’m not eating up the whole “the system will fix itself” narrative.
enjoy your dark ages
I think what happened is the dad brought her into the bedroom to threaten her with the gun, pointing it right at her, and then “accidentally” fired. But how much of an accident can you call it, when you point a loaded hand-gun at someone, with the safety OFF, and your finger ON the trigger?
Probably one those who won’t shut up about being a responsible gun owner
Negligent homicide is still a chargeable crime - at least if local prosecutors were willing to do their jobs
I think what happened is the dad brought her into the bedroom to threaten her with the gun, pointing it right at her, and then “accidentally” fired. But how much of an accident can you call it, when you point a loaded hand-gun at someone, with the safety OFF, and your finger ON the trigger?
He’s a Trumpist. I’m fully willing to believe he really is that stupid and irresponsible.
Another possibility is that he threatened her with the gun but she called his bluff and then he followed through with the threat. And no, that isn’t trying to put blame on her, it’s saying that he might have gone in intending to just threaten her but then deliberately killed her when it didn’t work.
Your scenario is murder 3 (didn’t intend to kill but did act in malice leading to the negligent death).
This scenario would be murder 2 (didn’t plan to kill her when he brought her into the room but decided to kill her in the heat of the moment).
But it’s possible it was murder 1 (brought her in there with full intent to kill her).
Murder 3 I’m not sure about but think the difference between it and manslaughter is malicious intent behind the actions that lead to the death.
Though not sure why he wasn’t charged at all, since even his version would be manslaughter as his negligence absolutely lead to her death (combo of handling the gun while drunk, it was loaded, safety off, finger on trigger, pointing at her chest).
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyk917xy8no
no criminal case was brought against Kris Harrison after a grand jury in Collin County declined to indict him.
WTF
It’s weird that we’ve abandoned linking to the article (which describes the killing as the result of him clumsily showing off his new glock to his daughter shortly after dinner) and defaulted to a link to an article to a screenshot of a tweet by some random internet influencers looking to stir the pot.
What is a tragedy resulting from people treating guns as toys has been rewritten as some kind of premeditated culture-war driven murder.
The killer said it was an accident and there are no living witnesses.
It is never an accident when you pick up a gun in a political argument.
It is never an accident when you pick up a gun in a
political argument.If you pick up a gun and don’t clear it. You are negligent.
If you point a gun at someone. You are negligent.
If you are not taking any safety precautions when handling a firearm. You are negligent.100% this here. If you’re negligent with a firearm you’re responsible.
Not in Texas apparently.
Reminds me of back in the 1950’s and before when getting black out drunk and running over someone was an “accident”.
Back when drunk driving was just boys will be boys.
Glad those times are gone
I phrased is like this as I know that in some situations it might be needed to pick up a gun to defend yourself from harm.
However, no political argument should ever devolve into the need for guns.
Yeah but it’s not an accident
Suddenly the right will be very pro second amendment watch.
Oh of course, it’s one of their guys with the gun this time.
You’re right.
Luckily there’s no article supplied so you can’t see that the argument and the gunshot are non-contemporaneous.
I find it baffling when I go through a chain of comments with people complaining that the source is missing which provides context, but they don’t link the source.
“Don’t trust what people say happened if they don’t have a source. You can trust what I say happened without a source.”
Sorry I saw there was a link added but I didn’t see that it’s not the same one I originally read. The posted one has a lot more writer bias in it but also seems to have a firmer timeline of events.
I know for sure the best time to clean my pistol is during a heated argument.
The grand jury refused to indict based on the evidence presented in the case.
The victim’s entire family was in the house at the time of the killing. There were numerous witnesses.
I don’t understand the logic here. If you’re in your basement, and someone gets stabbed in your kitchen, you somehow know the stabber’s intent?
Is this a normal psychic power? I don’t think I have it.
There were no witnesses. Unless you count the killer.
Kid and dad fight in the morning. Kid plans to leave the next day to end trip. They are no longer actively fighting. Dad asks kid if they want to see a gun, kid says sure. They disappear and you hear a single gunshot then dad yells for help.
This sounds just the same if it’s an accident or if it’s done with intent and you CANT know the intent. You can speculate based on character and history, That is insufficient for the legal system.
If there is an active domestic disturbance going on based on witness testimony it’s a horse of a different color.
Dad asks kid if they want to see a gun, kid says sure
From an article another user posted:
She said Lucy was “categorically anti-gun” and was worried about there being a firearm in the house with her two younger half-sisters.
“I’m very anti-gun and cutting my trip short due to a fight we had, but sure, I’d love to go into another room with you to look at your loaded gun with the safety off. Could you point out right at me so I can get a good look at it?”
Even if it was an accident, he should have been charged with manslaughter.
If you’re in your basement, and someone gets stabbed in your kitchen, you somehow know the stabber’s intent?
Go back and read the original fucking article. If you’re really curious, go scrounge up the actual facts of the case presented to the grand jury.
“Okay, but what if I’m skeptical? What if I’m double skeptical? What if I’m fully incredulous? Then can I believe her father killed her in cold blood?” Sure. Believe whatever fairy tale you want to tell yourself.
So your point is that, believing only the murderer, after a heated discussion about Trump and guns, he took his daughter to a room where he was displaying the safety features of a loaded gun and accidentally shot and killed her daughter… and in this scenario, there is ZERO criminal liability?
You are arguing with me, a random asshole on the internet, when you should be arguing with the DA and the grand jury, which did not find the evidence in the case gathered by a professional investigation team compelling enough to indict on.
yes, I come to Lemmy to find DAs and argue a year old case in a country I do not live in…
… which did not find the evidence in the case gathered by a professional investigation team compelling enough to indict on.
This is the USA, and Texas to boot… there is no professional anything when it comes to guns or law… it’s basically a banana republic at this point
What facts in the original article or the case are you referring to?
this is america - don’t think because they refused to press that there was no nonsense at foot. heck, even an accidental discharge should result in time. mind you, with guns, there is no such thing as an accident.
don’t think because they refused to press that there was no nonsense at foot
The argument presented by the Tweet varies enormously from the facts of the case. They didn’t even get the fucking date right. She was shot in January of 2025, not 2026.
You’re getting the internet gossip fifth hand while dismissing the legal decisions of this woman’s friends and neighbors because… America bad?
I agree that including a link to credible news sources is crucial. It’s also important to cite the facts as presented, then be clear when posting your own opinion or inserting misdirection such as “there were witnesses”.
Facts:
- There was a heated argument prior to the shooting.
- The shooter had implied, earlier in the day, that he would not care if the victim was assaulted because “I have other daughters”.
- The victim disliked guns and had not asked to see the gun, despite the shooter’s claim to the contrary.
- The victim was shot in the chest at medium range 15 seconds after she was pulled into a room with no witnesses.
Sources:
There was a heated argument prior to the shooting.
Is false right out of the gate.
Sam Littler, Lucy’s boyfriend, who was with her on the trip, told the inquest she had become upset earlier that day after having “quite a big argument” with her father about Trump, who was due to be inaugurated as president later that month.
Lucy had asked her father: “How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I’d been sexually assaulted?”
He responded that it would not upset him that much.
She was upset. He was cavalier.
He said his girlfriend’s father had spoken in the past about taking the gun out of the box and walking around with it “like James Bond”.
He treated his gun like a toy and his daughter paid for his childish attitude with her life. There’s a story here, but nobody on Lemmy seems to want to read it. They want to believe this house became some kind of war zone. The biter truth is that he fucked up because he didn’t take gun ownership seriously.
He treated his gun like a toy and his daughter paid for his childish attitude with her life.
That’s not manslaughter?
The tweet is wrong, yes, but there are dozens of articles coming out in the past 3 days that correctly date the killing.
There are dozens of articles reprinting the same events with increasingly click-bait geared headlines and takes.
Every iteration gets farther and farther away from the facts of the case.
“with guns, there is no such thing as an accident”? Negligent discharges happen all the time. It’s a reasonably big part of gun injury statistics: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7250a1.htm
Guy should get in trouble for what happened. But it’s not reasonable to frame this like “we know he intentionally shot his daughter because of her views on Trump.” And don’t get me wrong, fuck trump and fuck maga.
i am not considering negligence an accident, that’s my point.
There were no other witnesses. There were people in the house but the father took the daughter by the hand and led her to his room were the gun was located. She was very anti-gun… why would she want to see it? He shot her directly in the chest. No one else was in the room.
Edit: also earlier she asked if it was her that had been sexual assaulted(referring to something about Trump) he said he would not be that upset about it.
They refused to bring manslaughter charges. I’m not a lawyer, but I cannot understand how even his version of events isn’t at least manslaughter.
I blame the prosecutor here.
Someone died. No one gets punished for that? You must be American
Nobody was in the room where the father killed his daughter… he took her there aside from the rest of the fam
The GJ refused to indict based on the evidence provided by the prosecutor. The prosecutor, if they want, can get an indictment out of a GJ. The outcome is entirely dependent on decisions made by the prosecutor around what evidence to present and the manner in which it is presented.
The prosecutor, if they want, can get an indictment out of a GJ.
The prosecutor can present evidence to the GJ selectively. They can’t just demand the GJ issue an indictment. If there’s not enough selectively revealed evidence to convince a GJ, the case is almost certainly too weak to survive trial.
The prosecutor can present evidence to the GJ selectively.
Yup
If there’s not enough selectively revealed evidence to convince a GJ
You’re so close to seeing the issue here.
I can’t believe there are such fucked up people. People who kill their daughters and people who defend murderers. Fuck them, fuck the grand jury and fuck you, scum.
“I know we just had a fight and you went to another room to be alone, but check out my cool new gun that is loaded with the safety off and pointed in your direction!”
JFC.
my cool new gun that is loaded with the safety off
Glocks don’t have manual safeties.
Really? I would have assumed a safety would be required by law on all firearms post-, say, 1960 but I guess I’m not really that surprised.
As I understand it, a Glock’s safety is on the trigger so it’s always on unless you have your finger on the trigger.
As soon as I read “glock”, I could have told you what happened.
Lots of these redneck yahoos get their weapons modified for a lighter trigger pull. And without a manual safety, that means misfiring a glock becomes incredibly easy. Absolutely possible he was trying to do a finger spin with his new lethal toy and killed his daughter.
First post: “this doesn’t have a source to the real story.” (Does not provide a source)
This post: completely fabricated story to try to excuse what “may” have happened.
I dont know why you are bothering to find a way to make his obvious lie sound plausible. He just murdered her. Pointed the gun and pulled the trigger.
All a safety really does is prevent you from pulling the trigger. Someone who needs that shouldn’t be handling guns in the first place.
Oh well then, in that case nothing problematic happened at all!
I think the bigger issue is neither link highlights the fact that he is facing zero consequences for any of this.
He had to watch his daughter die right in front of him, because he fumbled a weapon that was supposed to keep them safe. Idk how anyone can see that as inconsequential.
The state isn’t pursuing criminal penalties for his gross negligence. But that’s wildly different from how the story is being pitched - a guy gunning down his daughter in cold blood and escaping a criminal verdict because MAGA voters are above the law.
You don’t point a gun at something you don’t intend to kill. That’s firearms safety lesson one.
Pointing a gun alone is intent.
Do you believe in accidental deaths via firearms? Or are all firearm deaths intentional?
Edit: this is not snark but an honest question.
I don’t believe this death was unpreventable. Whether he only intended to brandish the gun and his finger slipped or if he intentionally murdered her is immaterial in the face that there’s no charges, not even manslaughter is appalling.
Agreed with all of that. Im not making any statement about how warranted or unwarranted his criminal charge, or lack of charge was.
Im just especially interested in the notion that pointing a gun at someone means there is intent to kill, regardless of circumstances. That seems weird. It seems like it would logically follow that all gun deaths have intent.
Edit: after doing some research, it appears intent to kill and criminal intent is the distinction. Legally, pointing a gun means there is criminal intent. However, pointing a gun alone does not imply intent to kill, at least not legally. I may have muddled the waters by not asking OP to clarify what type of intent they meant. I assumed intent to kill.
If I bring out a knife and kill you with it but only because I tripped while holding it at your throat, did I intend to kill you or not? Does it matter?
Pointing a real firearm at a person should always be treated as if the holder wants to kill a person. There are exceptions, none of them apply here.
As a firearms owner I can unequivocally say that guns don’t shoot themselves. “Accidental” firearm deaths are all preventable. Idiots, like the person in this article that should be in jail awaiting trial for murder, should not own guns.
Maybe show off the gun with no ammunition in it and the safety on. Not loaded with the safety off.
I’m not going to show off new kitchen knives to a friend by swinging them wildly around the house.
He should 100% be charged with criminal negligence causing death. He should 100% spend time in prison. Whether the tweet is a lie or not, and your claim is true, he killed his daughter because he was a negligent fucking moron.
No. Homicide at the least. You can’t argue to me that pointing a gun does not infer intent, or at least, I’d be willing to make that argument. If I were a prosecutor I’d find out what gun safety classes this guy had gone through and I can almost guarantee, if they’d been through any, the first thing they were taught was to not fire a gun at anything you do not intend to kill.
Pointing a gun at someone or something shows intent. It’s not like he had it reasonably secured in. A holster and it misfired.
He picked up the gun, he pointed the gun.
Now we have intent.
Whatever happens after that is his fault.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. I just haven’t seen anything that says he deliberately pointed it at her.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. I just haven’t seen anything that says he deliberately pointed it at her.
Is there a way to accidentally pick up a gun and point it at someone? Just playing the part of prosecutor.
Sitting next to her holding the gun on your lap and it goes off? I still haven’t seen anything about deliberately pointing it.
Absolutely not trying to defend anything thus guy did. He killed his daughter. He did so because of his own negligence. But like I said before I haven’t seen anything about deliberation pointing it at her.
Elsewhere in this post someone mentions that the Glock the father was using does not come with a safety, surprisingly this is not apparently mandated by law on firearms.
He had to watch his daughter die right in front of him, because he fumbled a weapon that was supposed to keep them safe. Idk how anyone can see that as inconsequential.
Because if he wanted to kill her then that’s not a consequence, it’s a reward. If only there was some sort of trial in which evidence could be presented to an impartial judge…
It’s just not consequential enough to avoid jail time imo. There’s also the fact that anyone could shoot someone and claim it as an accident if no witnesses are present.
I agree that the picture doesn’t tell the whole story though.
anyone could shoot someone and claim it as an accident if no witnesses are present
Her husband was in the house when it happened, along with the rest of her immediate family.
Sam Littler, Lucy’s boyfriend, described the couple’s final hours in the house as suffocating. The tension wasn’t just the usual vacation stress; it was specific and angry, fueled by a subject that can split families apart even when they’re sitting at the same breakfast table: Donald Trump.
What happened next is difficult to square with the violence that followed. About half an hour before they needed to leave—suitcases likely by the door—Harrison didn’t shout or storm off. He took his daughter’s hand. He led her into his ground-floor bedroom. It looked like a dad trying to make peace, perhaps stealing a quiet minute to apologize before she flew back to England—after yet another argument sparked by Donald Trump.
Fifteen seconds. That’s how long it took before the bang went off.
They weren’t in the room but It honestly makes him look even more guilty.
His story is a bit silly. “Just had a huge fight with my daughter, she’s about to leave. :( . Guess I’ll show her my gun”
Will somebody please think of the poor dad who was drunk who fired the gun that killed his young adult daughter, who has a boyfriend, a future, a life of opportunities cut short?
it’s also fucky that the image makes claims about it happening/her dying in 2026 when it happened in 2025. might be a simple typo but I’m going to assume that whomever make the image just didn’t bother to check anything
Lucy Harrison, from Warrington in Cheshire, was shot in the chest on 10 January 2025 in Prosper, near Dallas.
A ton of these articles are unusable on mobile, which is why so many people only read the headlines. Despite it being factually wrong, this conveys about as much information as a normal post. Until news websites start making their sites readable (for normal people, i know how to get around all their shit, this isnt for me) and not filled with paywalls, pop up ads, and clickbait then were not going to get the actual facts
Thank goodness someone else is here who read the damn article. A grand jury can indict with a simple majority and they didn’t. That means, based on the facts, a majority of people vetted by lawyers for the people and the defense did not think this situation met muster to prosecute.
Of course a bunch of frothing internet randos looking at a twitter image are better suited to judge the case though!
Imagine going to Texas
I have to see my son on his birthday and try to convince him to leave. His boyfriend is Trans.
I’m surprisded your son and his partner need convincing. I’d be curious to understand why they wouldn’t want to move. Is it a lack of places to go to?
It’s a real dilemma, I recently read about trans people claiming asylum in Europe but being denied because the US are still considered a safe country. Which is not true for all of the US anymore.
I hope you have a safe trip!
Well they both work at the zoo and it doesn’t pay well. I already show him the one here pays more but he didn’t seem interested. Not like Oklahoma any better place move to. Just it cheaper here and pays better.
Oklahoma really isn’t any better from what I could find on wiki. Cities big enough to have a zoo should hopefully provide a few safe spaces for LGBTQ+ people.
I wish you and your family well.
On purpose, too. It does boggle the mind.
Perhaps most baffling to a British audience is the legal aftermath. It is a conclusion that sits uncomfortably with observers on this side of the Atlantic: despite the shouting match, the nasty comments, and the dead young woman on the floor, a US grand jury decided there wasn’t enough evidence to charge anyone.
… Holy shit
Hey Brits, come on over to the US where you can be killed and no one will care!
Killed by family nonetheless! And we’ll even let them get away with it! IN THE CLEAR!
I’m sure by the end of the week the MAGA cult will reveal that she was actually a “thug” who kicked in ICE’s tail lights or listened to Latin music or something else they find a murder-worthy offense.
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Definitely not a cult…
Its insane that this breaking news is from a year ago and he was held to no charges back in July.
All of them are like this. It’s just sad there’s too much law-cope.
Minimum common sense response to this should be a push to require safeties on all new firearms sold in the US and mandatory gun safety classes for ownership. I’m not sold on this being an accident but even if it was both of those measures would go a long way to preventing deaths by firearm and not be an unreasonable burden on gun owners.
Not all safeties are created equal. Some are push button style or switches that need to be toggled, possibly could have helped in this case if it was accidental. Others, like one of mine, simply need the gun held properly to be able to fire, most likely that would not have helped this situation. Safeties are predominantly meant to prevent misfires by dropping it, or mishandling the weapon.
However, one of the core gun safety rules is to never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to destroy. Safety or not.
This gun was apparently a Glock, they have safeties, but they are usually a trigger safety.
That works like this:
There is a separate metal tab on the trigger, that gets pushed in when you pull the trigger allowing the gun to fire, it makes it drop safe, but enables the user to pull the gun and fite without a manual safety.
WOW! I am honestly speechless and shocked
Name and shame and should not be free to walk the streets without being harassed and called a murder! Fuck that asshole.
That bastard. Fuck him. Hope he gets sent to Tartarus, and may he rot there.
Toilet paper for the titans.
