Jerkface (any/all)

You’re lying to yourself, working backwards from the conclusion you want. Take care. Don’t confuse veganism with your personal morality. Just be aware when you’re not being vegan.

I’m imagining this sizzling noise when the piss and water mix, and a pale yellow fog collecting around his ankles like he threw some dry ice in the water

I would remind you that cats are an invasive pest that cause global mass extinction and locally devastate entire ecosystems. I would remind you that HOUSE CATS ALONE make up a category that causes more deaths to birds and mammals in North America – a place where they do not belong at all – than any other cause. I would remind you that the Earth has fewer than half the birds it did when I was born. I would remind you that cats who are left outdoors live significantly shorter lives and suffer more diseases and major injuries than indoor cats.

I would go so far as to suggest you are romanticizing the situation and relying on your own “common sense” rather than actually educating yourself on the risks and supposed benefits.

I’d also add that buying an individual with the preformed intention of manipulating it into loving you is fucked up from any number of moral and philosophical perspectives.

I didn’t say that caretaking is exploitation; it’s not exploitation to operate an animal sanctuary, or to donate money to an animal sanctuary. I said very specifically: owning an animal for the purpose of companionship is exploitation.

Exploitation and harm are not the same thing. You can’t cancel out exploitation by doing “good things”. And we have to be extremely careful when we take it upon ourselves to decide what is good and bad for another, and impose life consequences on that individual.

How can you tell it’s exploitation? Well, consider that you have a certain budget, and you decide that either you are going to donate it to a shelter, or you’re going to adopt an animal yourself. Which one seems more personally appealing? It’s having an animal in your life that loves you, right? (Lets say so, for discussion.)

Even though a shelter could support more animals with the same amount of money, it’s still less appealing than owning an animal. Because you’re personally getting something out of owning the pet. If you can’t get what you want without an animal, then definitionally you need to exploit the animal to get what you want.

Once you are getting something out of it, everything changes in your brain. As a vegan, you know how easy it is to lie to yourself and convince yourself that monstrous atrocity is actually no big deal. It also changes the dynamic. Are your own emotional needs going to come up for example when you are trying to make end of life decisions, for example? Are you going to be able to put the needs of the animal above your own needs in every situation when you are emotionally dependent on the animal? Are you even going to realize if you fail to?

The emotional difference between owning a pet and providing sanctuary is relevant and important. Veganism doesn’t merely protect animals, it protects animals FROM US. It also protects US from our latent carnism that seeks to engage in self-deceit and excuse the terrible things (or even just the less than principled things) we do. A vegan who wants to help strays and abandoned farm animals should donate their time and money to a shelter. It’s a great way to have a chance to interact with animals in a way that is most compatible with veganism.

And if you really really really want a pet… do it. Veganism isn’t the final word on what is right and wrong. Your personal philosophy can come to the conclusion that you are doing the right thing. But both integrity and the safety of the animal require that you recognize that you are stepping outside your veganism, and it is no longer keeping you or your loved ones safe.

I have no idea what you are talking about. And brother, I have been pissing my entire life.

Edit: I really need you to come back here and explain “piss vapor”.

You’re also not distinguishing between giving animals sanctuary and keeping them as personal pets; those are different things.

“There should be mandatory nudity in public” is a pretty controversial opinion. But you got me on board. Lets do it.

You’re arguing (bombastically and with quite a bit of disrespect to the person you are having a conversation with) that having pets is good and moral, not that it is vegan. Veganism doesn’t say anything about being nice to animals, giving animals nice homes, or even not euthanizing animals. It says, don’t exploit animals.

I mean I’m sure you could deal with one or two people. And if there’s 50, then you have become the weird one and I guess you have to suck it up. As it were.

I use FreeBSD. Phew, forgot that one, too.

I had a mad Rust addiction until they dropped the bomb on the Linux client. So I switched to Rust, and it’s if anything even more sadomasochistic. I love them both so much. My dad’s love language was violence.

The criminalization of our bodies disgusts me.

Towel. The etiquette when visiting a clothing-optional setting is to bring a towel to sit on.

Ownership of an animal for the purpose of companionship is exploitation of an animal. If it is practicable and practical to avoid, a vegan should.

Veganism aside, having to make life and death decisions on another individual’s behalf is a terrible thing. Intentionally causing an individual to become unable to care for themselves is one of the most abusive things that can be done to them.

Lastly, I would not even bring a human into this world, let alone someone I knew would be treated all their lives as property, whom I love but am ultimately powerless to protect.

I don’t know whether you are saying, “this was captivating,” or “this was bullshit.”

Oh shit, I forgot to say “I’m vegan, BTW.” Please don’t report me to my chapter.

A person with childhood trauma or ADHD has a brain that doesn’t fully mature until well into their 30s. This is not a reason to deny someone bodily autonomy. If everyone else can smoke and drink whiskey, the gall it takes to tell someone they can’t have tits because you think maybe they will be disappointed.

Only sometimes. Often they are based on ignorance and prejudice, and gain credibility through raw repetition in the absence of any real-world observations. Like, shit, you can’t even comprehend of the existence of negative hurtful slanders as stereotypes? GTFO with that.

Encouraged??