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  • The wheel was “low-hanging fruit”, The next branch with fruit is higher and requires more effort to get to. It sounds like you are positing that at a certain point, we should be happy with the fruit that we have and not build the next rung in the ladder since that ring is much more expensive than the last.

    The argument supporting this is that if you want a sustainable civilization, your yearly energy budget is fundamentally equal to the energy coming into the system (read solar insolation of the Earth) per year, everything else is reducing internal gradients or depleting finite resources. As science gets more expensive per tier, supporting it could squeeze out necessary expenditures on the populace.

    The counterargument is that science is still valuable a) because it can improve efficiency (output per input) allowing better QoL within a sustainable energy budget, and b) because what are we humans here for if not to explore and live full lives?

    While justifying it by identifying that science can just slow down to be sustainable. We don’t have to give up on the next highest fruit branch, we can just get there more slowly. On a basic level, it’s ok if the rate of progress slows down in the name of sustainability.

    That’s all macro though. Short term, society has cancerous assholes hoarding wealth and resources, stealing from the public purse. US has always had an anti-intellectual streak but some people in charge believed in progress and saw it as a worthwhile investment. Current admin, and a lot of the populace on the other hand, are happy to see the brain drain to other countries that value science, R&D. Not all of us though mRNA flu vaccine backtrack shows that. Next few years will be interesting


  • Companies have dramatically cut back their once-healthy R&D budgets in favor of buying out startups (often supported by SBIR and NSF grants) incubated from universities (with public funds). This directs public money into private profits and society at large is letting that happen. I think it’s because everyday folks don’t think of science as the process of understanding; the image of progress has been co-opted by tech-bros and big pharma.

    I talked to my wife about emigrating after the 2024 elections happened. She wants to stay for family ties and I think I’m too old anyways. As much as science investment (and respect) are being kneecapped in the US right now, I want to stay and advocate for/at my country even if it doesn’t value my vocation


  • Diminishing returns are largely unavoidable, and not a sufficient argument against anything, really. The Wheel was pretty impactful and had higher ROI than satellites, and I’m still glad we didn’t stop there. Science and R&D are getting more expensive and that’s fine - especially if you don’t worship quarterly profit margins.

    Also, I’m afraid you’re wrong that scientists aren’t aware of the costs of their work and that those resources could go to more urgent needs. A virology buddy told me about a meeting he had with bill gates at a grant symposium and how it came up “I could buy millions of mosquito nets and save X lives with this grant money, why is it better spent on you?” Society should value both longer term understanding and capability as well as taking care of people today; let’s not pretend that those are only balanced against each other.





  • I get the argument, but a lot of it relies on the law being applied universally. The SAVE act’s most stringent requirements are for registration, which won’t affect existing voters, unless … the administration finds some way to purge voter rolls of legitimate voters who then have to re-register. This is partially why they’re suing states for voter rolls - even trying to extort MN’s with ICE.

    In a blue wave year, Dems could make serious inroads into or even flip red states. The SAVE act would let red state politicians tip the scales with near impunity. Don’t rely on the chance that it’ll hurt their own too (or more) - assholes will use the Act to hurt you or your neighbor and it needs to be stopped