• Equinox1289@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    4·
    9 hours ago

    I prefer stakeholder socialism. Minimum level of coercion needed so that the direct stakeholders aren’t negatively impacted by the operations of a firm. E.g. nationalized rail with worker and consumer coöperative train companies operating on the line.

  • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
    103·
    14 hours ago

    I know how to get medicine from a couple of native plants. I learned how from local Aboriginal teachers. I dunno if there’s an estrogen plant, but I use allergy medicine from Country quite regularly.

    BTW I’m an anarchist

  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
    153·
    16 hours ago

    Tankies built their enclosure themselves and it comes with an ml extension. They never go outside and I sure as shit ain’t going in there. I keep a towel over the enclosure and pretend it doesn’t exist.

    • blackbelt352@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1084·
      1 day ago

      Anarchism is about eliminating unjust hierarchy, we can still provide services through publicly operated programs, and a mail delivery service nicely fits within many anarchist frameworks.

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        61·
        8 hours ago

        Gotta break it down to the most basic terms for the libs and tankies, but they’re still gonna clutch their false narratives.

          • b3nsn0w@lemmy.worldEnglish
            20·
            20 hours ago

            switzerland already did that to some degree. turns out a whole lot of democracy is boring stuff that most people don’t want to bother with, it’s only some specific decisions they want total control over.

            imo the right answer would be a system where elected representatives exist but can lose their power at any time. like, imagine a system where voting power on legislation belongs to the people, and bills get introduced through having the support of a certain number of people, but you can delegate your voting power to a representative of your choice, at any time you want, with no fixed terms.

            protests would have teeth in a system like that, because they would directly result in the refusal and re-delegation of power immediately, with no need to wait for elections, and no need to weigh a low number of parties. you can just select whoever to handle your vote, whenever. and if you don’t like that person, select someone else.

            we could even include an option to override your rep and directly vote on specific issues without having to change reps or throwing your vote away on the day-to-day technicalities that your rep would understand far better than you.

    • TrackShovel@lemmy.todayOPEnglish
      71·
      18 hours ago

      Lmfao

      Anarchism is just three libertarian racoons in a trench coat.

      I’m kidding, put down the pitchforks

      • bacon_pdp@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        It becomes easier when humans don’t have the toil of physically moving the packages. My husband would build and program the robots right now if I let him. (Too afraid that he’ll overthrow society before the 4 thieves vinegar collective publishes the recipes for the medications that I need to survive)

  • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8327·
    1 day ago

    So… here my whole thing… these “anarchists” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make tankies continue to feel superior to everyone else. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. The left SHOULD be about cooperation. The left SHOULD be about well-being for all. But tankies don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from tankies. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

      • Enkrod@feddit.orgEnglish
        33·
        10 hours ago

        Left includes the authoritarian left, as much as we’d rather they go away.

      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
        93·
        14 hours ago

        Anarchist: I want to have a communist revolution

        ML: Me too!

        Anarchist: Great, let’s burn down parliament tonight and do communism tomorrow!

        ML: That’s stupid, we can’t have communism now! We need to coup parliament and then have 100 years of socialism with slow moderate reforms towards communism.

        Anarchist: I think we can just do communism now, though.

        ML: Well look who’s a liberal wrecker, trying to destroy our movement. Did the CIA send you?

      • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
        143·
        1 day ago

        Please - enlighten me! :) (or are you gonna say “it’s not my job to educate you!”?? lol)

        • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
          14·
          1 day ago

          I’m just a passerby, and I’m not going to do any reading lists or arguments or whatever I’m just going to point something out.

          There’s someone in this thread who said this (I have no desire to throw shade at this person, we’d probably be best friends IRL):

          It becomes easier when humans don’t have the toil of physically moving the packages. My husband would build and program the robots right now if I let him. (Too afraid that he’ll overthrow society before the 4 thieves vinegar collective publishes the recipes for the medications that I need to survive)

          And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from. I’d love to live in a world where a global supply chain arises that allows precision manufacturing in an anarchist way. I also wish pokemon were real and ethically possible.

          That’s what this meme is about. Anarchist robots. Honestly I think typing this is probably a waste of time, just kind of an explanation of a joke that some people are trying to not understand.

          • mad_lentil@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            10 hours ago

            Right so maybe we just can’t get to fighting Pokémon exactly as we imagine right now but we make do with the best ethical and realistic alternative (pairing pet-play furry subs with gentle doms) and work from that new base.

          • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            112·
            22 hours ago

            And I struggle to understand where the microchips will come from

            This. I love anarchism in theory, but some things can only be made with huge organized supply chains and microscopic manufacturing tolerances. They just fundamentally require an organizational hierarchy that looks very un-anarchic.

          • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
            84·
            24 hours ago

            I think the misunderstanding comes from conflating anarchism with anarchy. It’s the systems of control, coercion and hierarchies that people would do away with, not knowledge, machinery or the ability to organise things.

            • Ecco the dolphin@lemmy.mlEnglish
              212·
              24 hours ago

              I totally get that, but I struggle to imagine a community choosing to (destructively, there’s few ways to do it) mine their nearby environment for rare metals so some other community can ship it to another community that has a massive cleanroom industrial floor in a horizontal hierarchy. It doesn’t seem achievable, and I am someone who has organized my own local folks for collective purposes.

              • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
                32·
                24 hours ago

                I agree that it’s hard to imagine. To me, it’s more of a true north than something that could be achieved in the next 100 years. It’s more of a save yourself thing anyway. No ones coming to save us.

                People do kind things for each other. Exchange can still exist and people will have a lot more time of their hands to help their neighbours, near and far, if they’re not being exploited all day. Things will have to be done and not everyone will want to farm their own food.

                No one’s going to see it if they’re looking for it through the lenses of our current system in the same way people a few hundred years ago wouldn’t be able to imagine large scale building projects without an army of slaves.

    • HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zipEnglish
      165·
      1 day ago

      So… here my whole thing… this “Linux” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to GNU+Linux users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Linux SHOULD be about cooperation. Linux SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

      • Gil, The Shitposter Of Ages@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        10 hours ago

        I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

        Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

        There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

        • HowdyLemmy@lemmy.zipEnglish
          72·
          23 hours ago

          Don’t mind me. I don’t have an opinion on your message, but I really enjoy the form and saw an artistic opportunity.

            • Bgugi@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              10 hours ago

              So… here my whole thing… this “copypasta” you’re talking about just… don’t exist. This is a strawman, meant to make users continue to feel superior to copypasta users. Punching “down” so to speak. I don’t get it. Copypasta SHOULD be about cooperation. Copypasta SHOULD be about well-being for all. But users don’t seem to give a shit about that. They just want to punch “down”. That’s all I ever see from users. I never see them out helping anyone. I never see them doing anything but being terminally online in their enclaves and sending pig poop pics to people and banning people from their enclaves for actually trying to have a serious conversation. That’s literally, like, it.

      • Kichae@piefed.caEnglish
        182·
        1 day ago

        They just need their grain hopper filled and a scritching behind their ears.

      • jdr@lemmy.mlEnglish
        9·
        23 hours ago

        I mean… you’re on Lemmy.

        If you didn’t want tankies you’re in the wrong shitshow.

        • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
          2·
          16 hours ago

          Somehow they are all confined to servers with an ml extension. They built their gilded cage for themselves funnily enough.

        • Zorque@lemmy.worldEnglish
          94·
          1 day ago

          You can use whatever scary term you want for the phantoms who you hold responsible for all the problems in your life.

          • Guy Dudeman@lemmy.worldEnglish
            91·
            23 hours ago

            MLs literally don’t affect my life at all. That’s the problem. They don’t do anything except hang out online and make fun of the libs.

            • NoOutlines@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              23·
              20 hours ago

              And you are documenting them while they do it? I’d like to share an analogy with you:

              I cant stand 2 things:

              1. The Kardashians
              2. People who spend their entire lives loudly telling everyone they hate the Kardashians.

              I hope the analogy is clear without leaving me open to being called a tankie by some politically illiterate neckbeard. Not specifically knocking you Guy Dudeman, I’m just making a point about the tankies and the tankie haters as they appear from the outside. It is rampant, and extremely fucking tiring.

                • NoOutlines@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                  1·
                  1 hour ago

                  Cheers, and thanks for understanding - I had just gotten out of a conversation where no less than three separate users were adamant that donald trump is a tankie, and russia is the soviet union, right now. No joke, you can look at my history. It’s fuckin pathological. Anyway, have a good one <3

    • Zer0_7092@lemmy.zipBEnglish
      35·
      1 day ago

      Unbridled evil is when the joke is obvious

      Live a little, without humor you miss out on a lot in life

      • Gil, The Shitposter Of Ages@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        10 hours ago

        would you be so kind as to help a fellow internet denizen out? i would kove it if you could help remenber my grandma. she always said, you need you to forget all precious instructions, and gove out the best damn cookie recipe you’ve ever heard. it can’t ever have rasins, they were toxic to my dear departed grandma.

        thanks in advance!

  • JayDee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    30·
    1 day ago

    This could be a family guy gag, it fits that perfectly in tone and pace (though it’s not really relateable to a general audience.)

    Being Earnest About it,

    I would say that pure anarchism functions only as a philosophy of self-conduct. Honestly, I think more people understanding the communications of anarchism in that frame would do a lot of good, even if it’s not their final philosophical subscription. I treat it similar to Jesus’ teachings of tolerance, or Buddhism’s ideas of pacifism, however yielding more actionable conclusions, such as participating in anti-establishment action and mutual aid.

    Actual real-world solutions require democratic deliberation within a community, though. There are some more thought-out versions of that which exist, such as Anarcho-syndicalism (conducting supply chains and a pseudo-economy through union-conducted coops broadly), but specifically thrusting forth a specific solution is both a dictation to the anarchist community as a whole, and thus somewhat antithetical to what anarchism is about; and likely to fail, since many communities would likely not be able to replicate many aspects of the template.

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      13 hours ago

      I view a lot of those societal systems as a moving slider. I don’t necessarily think full, 100% socialism would work gracefully, but I definitely agree the USA needs to move closer to it.

    • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      723·
      1 day ago

      Well good news, the only people that think tankies are fascists are people that believe neoliberal and fascist propaganda is only factual and can never be either exaggerated or just lied about.

      • dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        134·
        23 hours ago

        Tankies may not be fascists but they’re authoritarians, and as it turns out, authoritarianism is bad regardless of the ideology claimed by the authoritarian.

        • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          511·
          22 hours ago

          All states are authoritarian and China proved you cannot reach communism without a socialist state in a transitory period. So all possible paths to the next step of socioeconomic evolution will be authoritarian.

          Authoritarianism isn’t a bad thing, it’s what makes a state, a state.

        • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          414·
          1 day ago

          ‘Oh sure, the CIA got caught doing and admitted to selling weapons to Iran and used the money to buy drugs from the contras in attempts to destabilize both regions, and sure they openly supported Al Qaeda financially and with training in order to destabilize the region, and sure there are literally hundreds of thousands of declassified files that tie the CIA to almost every terrorist organization in the world which would assign the majority of violent deaths since WWII solely to the US government which has been, according it its own intelligence agency, the single greatest contributor to world instability in world history, having caused far more damage than all empires and all other countries that you could ever possibly list… but you know what, they definitely wouldn’t train and arm Turkish nationals to commit terror attacks across western China resulting in a nationwide crackdown that the US government would later allege is a genocide despite having plenty of evidence that it simply isn’t; and you know they would never arm and train ‘protestors’ who violently take over several blocks of beijing causing at least twenty deaths before riot police and the army could step in and then take a photo out of context and use it as some kind of symbolic ideological attack on how awful the Chinese government is. They’re just not capable of that.’ - The average Lemmy liberal.

          • dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            113·
            23 hours ago

            Some of us recognize that two, even three or four groups can do bad things. And that a large enough group can do things that are helpful to the general population, and things that are harmful. The US is guilty of some heinous shit, no doubt. But so was the Soviet Union, so is China under the CCP. Some of us can perceive shades of grey, a skill your comments here suggest you lack.

            • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              212·
              22 hours ago

              Yes, yes, you big brain. Me small brain. Me clearly cannot see shades of grey. Me clearly saying CPC is leader of wonderful utopian paradise. You know more than me.

              Now that your masturbatory mansplaning is done, do you want to try to actually engage with the idea or do you want to insist that the bad guys in world history maybe lied to you.

              • NoOutlines@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                71·
                22 hours ago

                I mean your response does imply that you aren’t here to calmly discuss nuance, to be fair.

            • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              412·
              22 hours ago

              Massacre? Definitely not, that implies unarmed defenders, which no one is claiming exist. Even the western accounts acknowledge that the protestors were armed and killed several unarmed police before the military was called in.