State legislatures across the country are accelerating efforts to shape immigration enforcement policy after the deadly shooting of a Minnesota woman by a federal agent, raising tensions between local leaders and the Trump administration.
From California to New York and Illinois to New Jersey, they’re pushing a range of bills aimed at limiting enforcement and protecting people targeted by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, while turning up the rhetoric with comparisons to the Gestapo.
In Illinois, a Democratic state senator has filed legislation that would bar anyone hired by ICE under Trump from obtaining employment in state or local law enforcement.
And in New York, Gov. Kathy Hochul signaled she’ll support legislation that would allow residents to bring civil lawsuits against federal immigration officials for constitutional violations.
Now that’s some policy I can get behind.
I’m confused on the second one. Can we currently not sue these assholes for invading our houses without a warrant?
They’re largely protected by jurisdiction and qualified immunity. This removes the jurisdiction hurdle presumably. If NY law says that it’s their jurisdiction then the ruling will be unable to avoid through federal actions. For civil liability this means they will have to defend their qualified immunity under NY standards. That’s how I read it anyways.
I am not a lawyer.
I think the key word here is “civil”. Right now they’re violating Federal law, which would involve higher courts, FBI, etc. A civil case would put all this awfulness in the hands of the State where the (Federal) law was broken.
This sounds great. If we can pass legislation like this in enough states, as well as legislation that requires ICE to remain unmasked and constantly wear ID (and more legislation requiring local police to intervene in cases where ICE does not obey the aforementioned, obstructing the ICE agents from continuing their work until complete compliance), we might be able to set up a “screw your neighbor” kind of authority.
- local police can be held responsible for not obstructing the out-of-compliance (and potentially-fraudulent) ICE agents
- ICE agents can be held civilly responsible for their state crimes (but what about people who need help/anonymity when filing civil lawsuits?)
- State governments can issue warrants for ICE agents that don’t appear, don’t pay, or otherwise don’t comply with civil lawsuits
Can a state support people in creating lawsuits?
I hope they are able to strip them of those masks so we all learn all of their identities and every operation every person is involved in is a matter of public record (that cannot be tampered with by the demons in this administration - every state gets a copy).
I remember when conservative Karens LOST THEIR FUCKING MINDS over citizens going about their normal lives were wearing masks out of consideration to others when we were enduring a pandemic.
Now they all say nothing as ARMED, UNIDENTIFIED MASKED THUGS are going around terrorizing neighborhoods in America.
Put bounties out on all federal agents in your state. Ban them from operating in your state period. Impound/tow any vehicles registered to federal agencies, have police raid the hotels where they are staying, arrest them without charges and agree to release them only once ICE has been completely disbanded, and Trump is in custody. Seize any cash, weapons, cellphones they have. Go through their devices, infiltrate their communication systems
Highly unlikely, but I like where your head is at.
Ooooohhh. Civil forfeiture of their cars, vests, weapons, and face masks …
Civil Forfeiture is perfect. I always say that these psychos pass stupid laws because they forget that they can be used against them, too. Then Dems get power and don’t use them.
Civil Forfeiture is one. It’s heinous, but it’s legal, so exploit the shit out of it MAGA-style.
Honestly, civil forfeiture has as much legal protection as qualified immunity.
I want to see democratic AGs actually do this.
That sounds nice, but Trump would (correctly) declare that an insurrection and it would trigger an actual civil war.
How can it be an insurrection when magats are the ones who are waging war on legitimate Americans?
Traitors don’t get to make that call.
States arresting all federal authorities for being in the state would be an insurrection, even if it was in response to a bunch of illegal shit from the feds.
He already had an Insurrection, and it was eventually determined that beating the shit out of law enforcement is worthy of honor. So let’s get honorable.
ICE is going door to door in the Twin Cities now.
Like “are you hiding any jews in this house” style??
Yes apparently
I am not sure what point you’re trying to make spamming this. It’s no good to resist? Bend the knee because they’re armed?
The point is that it’s irrelevant what the law says ICE can or can’t do. They can and will enter without a warrant. Your rights don’t exist anymore.
Okay but our messaging shouldn’t be “it’s useless to resist,” we need more people to resist in any capacity they can.
Who’s saying it’s useless to resist? I’m saying it’s useless to rely on the law to protect you
the meme can be interpreted that way, and was originally used to portray some level of naivety on the part of the victim.
The meme is saying that if you’re being robbed, you need to fight, they aren’t going to stop because it’s illegal. My understanding of the meme is it’s mocking the idea that following the rules will protect you from corrupt police. Your rights won’t protect you
Don’t answer. They can’t come in without a warrant. If they do shoot first ask questions later.
A few things to keep in mind here:
- They have body armor
- Not all states have Castle Doctrine - most do not, obligating you to attempt to flee instead of making a stand
- They have numbers and firepower you do not
- First-floor windows render strong doors moot
If they’re kicking in MY door they’re up to no good. There’s no probable cause here. So they’re either going to drag me off and do stuff to me or I’m gonna die fighting them.
I know people get on here and talk a big game. But this is my hill.
Minnesota does. The use of force must be proportional to the threat. And how they are entering.
“If they do shoot first and ask questions later”
Correct. And they will walk away.
Edit: apparently this is not true anymore.
Who’s gonna enforce that policy? Police unions support ICE. The Minnesota FOP put out a statement saying so. You can write every bill in the world, it won’t mean shit without fundamental changes to the police.
I think officially it would be the state national guards? If it actually came to confrontation between state and federal law enforcement.
Please someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Well that and the police are outnumbered. Even if they would work against ICE, things probably wouldn’t go well.
They have weapons enough to deputize some folks.
We are long overdue for some judges to step in and deputize folks too.
We’re just going to ignore the T-Rex they brought with them?
