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I enjoy a lot of PBS and NPR programs, but it is weird AF to me that people want the government to subsidize the media.
- The job of the media is to hold the government to account. They can’t do that if they’re funded by the government.
- If people appreciate this media, they can pay for it, like they already do with their tax dollars. I see no reason why people need to be taxed so we can have NPR.
But Harris had an annoying laugh, I’m glad I didn’t bother to vote. (/s)
Realize that electing Harris would only have prolonged the inevitable. The movement Trump fostered was and is growing and will continue growing after he dies. There is a deep systemic problem of which Trump is a symptom, not a cause. Remember when Biden got elected? And what good has that done us now? Kamala would have simply been another delay of the reckoning that is occurring now. She would not have made actual PROGRESS in defusing the time bomb. You can say it’s still better to have delayed it, but why? No lives would be saved, it would just be different lives impacted.
Try to at least engage with people who are also on the left, mind you, in an honest way rather than making strawman jokes about them. I understand why you think people should have voted for Harris, and although I disagree with your reasoning, I’m not posting thought-terminating jokes about your view, but instead trying to express a nuanced reason for why people think slightly differently. This is the kind of unity that the left must exhibit if we want any positive change to happen. I understand you’re mad at people for making what you see as a bad decision, but what good comes from making fun of them for it now? It only creates division.
Shit take after the kidnapping of Maduro lol, but yeah you’re right I’m sure Kamala woulda done the same thing, funneling all state funding into ICE gestapo and had her sights on Greenland too foh
Biden started a lot of things that would have built this country better. You can’t blame him when the next guy seems to run on “reverse everything Biden did”
Of course those on the left should still work together. Thats the point. But if you didn’t vote for Harris, or bad-talked her once she was the only option to trump, then you fucked us all. Now we have trump, who will ignore laws, break conventions, destroy democracy completely in the U.S. Game over, we’ve lost. All because you didn’t work together when it counted. Fuck you and your ‘at least engage with other people on the left’. There’s no point now. You blew it. And now we will be suffering for generations.
Brother the libs are incensed in this thread. Its funny poking the hornets nest and seeing all the same talking points with zero self reflection. I respect you being in the trenches but its prob a waste of time
We got peasant brain mentality going terminal in this thread.
It’s not about libs. Have you paid any attention to the monumental damage trump is doing to the U.S., and to the world? He could have been stopped but the likes of you had to be morons about it. Now it’s too late, and we’re all fucked. You were so stupid and deserved all the vitriol thrown at you.
Trump is not an aberration to our system what are you on about? Trump is literally a natural byproduct of our political system.
You know how he could have been stopped? Meaningful progressive legislation decades ago to right some of the largest issues in our nation. How is this not obvious to you? Obama literally could have diverted course from this but the Dems have no political will to make things better. They don’t give a fuck about you or me they only care about their donors.
The Dems offer no meaningful push back to anything the Republicans do not because they are bad (they are tho) but because its not in the interests of those padding their wallets. They move in the direction they are paid to move in which is to say more to the right every election.
Kamala Harris ran on a more conservative platform than fucking George W Bush 20 years ago. Does that mean nothing to you?
Do you condemn the genocide that Israel is committing in Gaza?
Good thing you saved Gaza by not voting!
Who says I didn’t vote? You idiots just love to argue against piles of straw and feel like you’re accomplishing great things.
It’s their only argument, so they must repeat it.
Hey I voted too, for Harris in California. Didn’t do much but I did.
But instead they just get mad when you tell them you can vote for someone and call them out. Like they said we could in 2016, 2020, 2024. And then got mad at us for doing it.
Nope. If you voted for Harris and didn’t dissuade others from doing the same then that’s great. Of course you should push for more progressive options and get involved. It’s the idiots that didn’t vote for Harris because she ‘wasn’t good enough’ and ended up allowing trump to destroy the country that are the idiots that deserve all the vitriol they are getting.
I called her bad policies out but still voted for her, I used my 1st amendment rights and my 14th amendment rights. Some people disliked me for using them, while they used the same rights. It’s the country we live in.
It’s so nauseating how you twist the actual grievances people had with Harris and pretend they are shallow meaningless complaints about her “annoying” laugh.
Dismissing valid criticism that she and her supporters dismissed and didn’t listen to us validates that criticism, for what it’s worth.
Do your critiques of her matter in the face of outright fascism? She was the non-fascist option. Now we’re stuck with a dictator for who knows how long. But y’all really taught those congressional dem’s a lesson! That’ll surely make all of our lives better!
They do matter. Because the fact that nobody took those critiques seriously is what caused people not to vote for her. The fact that nobody took those critiques seriously 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30, even 40 years ago - is how the United States entered the situation that it is now. Half a century of “barely good enough” on the “representatives” of the left and we wonder why America is the way it is.
And ultimately, she lost, because people didn’t vote. And those people clearly stated why. In advance. For years. Yet the Democrats still insisted that everyone do as they’re told.
Think about it, if the line had been drawn 40 years ago, and voters said “No, we won’t vote for someone who is merely not as bad as the other guy. We only will vote for someone we actually WANT to vote for”. Then maybe that election we would have got some shitty right winger due to low dem turnout. But the next election, the Democrats might have run someone who was actually more left leaning. But voters didn’t do that, and instead they get shitty half-left democrats, and this moves the window to the right. One day that window is far enough to the right to make room for Trump. That’s not only the responsibility of the Republicans dragging the window the right, that’s the responsibility of Democrats refusing to ever drag the window back to the left. And that’s a direct result of Democrat voters repeatedly sucking it up and voting for someone they don’t really like.
I truly believe that if Kamala had been elected, the same process would repeat, the window would move further right, and the next time a Republican won it would a Trump 3.0 type figure as a result. So as bad as it is that Trump is president, given that our option was lancing the infected boil now or letting it balloon some more and get even more infected, only to be lanced in a more disastrous way later. This was the decision in the minds of those who did not support Harris - even if you think they had the wrong idea, can you at least respect their reasoning and see how it is not the sort of petty revenge that you mistakenly imagine it to be?
is what caused people not to vote for her
What caused people not to vote for her was a terminal lack of critical thinking.
This was not a confusing election. It was about as straight forward as it gets. These motherfuckers failed an open book test. They’re idiots. They failed because they were uninformed and uninformed people make stupid decisions.
No factually the reason was because she wanted genocide and offered no meaningful economic reforms that are desperately needed. Try again.
So instead everyone got genocide x2, shortly maybe will be x3 of oil companies pull a Venezuelan banana republic: electric boogaloo, and a significantly worse economy with not only no reforms, but significant change in the opposite direction, siphoning orders of magnitude more money away from the working class than the status quo.
Plus you get the dissolution of unions and stripping workers of any power they have.
Plus you get out-in-the-open media centralization to become out and out propaganda machines bought and paid for by corruption and dissolution of the last remnents of independent media.
Plus you get kidnapping citizens in the streets by faceless, nameless, badgeless enforcers.
Plus you get government-sponsored lynchings
Plus you get, nationwide, women getting sick, hurt, and dying because doctors aren’t allowed to treat them anymore
Plus you get multiple very corrupt white collar criminals set completely free with no consequences
Plus you get the near-total neutering of all health and disease research and public health policies
Plus you get the complete decimation of US aid to countries in need that was not through on an imperialist military
Plus you get people dying of hunger and homeless people and immigrants being arrested and used for slave labor.
Plus you get people who aren’t fascists labelled as terrorist groups, arrested, and threatened
Plus you get persecution of transgender people
Plus you get pedophile government oligarchs literally out in the open human trafficking instead of behind closed doors.
Great trade off there. You guys really sent the correct message and voted to make the world a better place.
I need you to really reckon with the fact that Dems were doing and supporting all these things too.
The genocide started under and was defended by the Dems.
Venezuela has been a bipartisan target for multiple decades at this point.
The siphoning of money away from the working class is also bipartisan. Both parties are captured by corporate interests with little interest in pushing back except for a small contingent of people in power on the left.
Dems have been fighting unions just as hard as Republicans. Remember when Biden used his power to break the Railway worker strike?
Media has been consolidating under both parties… The consolidation we are seeing today is largely driven by the need to have media cover for Israel which is bipartisan in its support.
ICE got a massive budget increase under Biden. He deported a fuck load of people too in largely just as violent ways, though ofc Trump expanded ICE to unprecedented levels the fact that it already has so much funding speaks to deportation as a bipartisan strat. Remember Obungler deported more people in his first term than Trump did. Dems love deporting immigrants.
Abortion literally was lost under Dem leadership when they had power to push to codify it as law.
White collar criminals have been getting away with everything regardless of who is in charge. Who do you think is running the corporations bribing our electeds?
US aid abroad there were some good things but often it was used as a cudgel for resource extraction and political suppression. There will be short term suffering which makes me mad but long term the boot of American empire being removed is objectively a good thing for the rest of the world. China is offering more favorable outcomes and all we’d need to do to compete is to stop being evil with our deals.
People have been living in poverty conditions all around the country for decades under both parties and neither has any appetite for the necessary economic and infrastructure reforms to fix it. The 13th amendment explicitly allows slave labor for prisoners so this is just how our country works tbh. Shipping to El Salvador is a new one but we are not averse to slave labor in the US as you seem to suggest
Dems have been calling Antifa and other anticapitalist groups terrorists and all that forever. Its just more red scare propaganda which is again just America being us.
Dems also do not care about trans people. Kamala Harris literally ran on “following the law” in regards to them in a year when historic levels of anti trans laws were being passed.
Government was always full of pedos and was geared toward oligarchs. Look at all the people on the Epstein list as associates.
See, the democrats faied by not running a perfect candidate vs Hitler v2 /s
Edit: see the comments below mine proving my point. Look at all these chickens.
see the comments below mine proving my point. Look at all these chickens.
So no criticism is allowed because you like the party? Damn, Trump would love to have you on his side.
Criticise all you want, but it came down to one clear name on the ballot who was not hitler jr and had a chance to win.
I would never say “vote blue no matter who” but on Election Day that was the only sane choice
I would have been pretty happy if they had at least democratically selected a candidate.
The world isn’t here to make you happy.
You make the best decision with what you’ve got.
Americans absolutely failed at doing so. Because they’re uninformed child-like dipshits.
Sounding kinda fascy here for being the defender of democracy lmaooooo classic liberals. My way or the high way no room for discussion that makes you feel rightfully stupid and misinformed.
Most on the left are finished with trying to discuss, or find common ground, with the right There is no such thing. The right wing does not discuss in good faith, and they don’t believe in words. Hypocrisy doesn’t phase them and they have no shame. They will abandon a principle the moment it inconveniences them.
And frankly the world sees who you look up to, so if I were you I wouldn’t be slinging around accusations of stupidity.
Lmao do you think I’m on the right?
Corpocrats are just as hopeless as MAGA.
I don’t think it matters, to be honest.
We’re not in a democracy, we’re in a capitalist duopoly, get with it and stop acting like a fucking child because the world doesn’t give you ideal options. Your choices are shit sandwich and bigger shit sandwich, if you refuse to choose then you will be force fed the bigger shit sandwich. There is no getting what you want out of the situation, there is literally no such thing as a club sandwich, it doesn’t exist, but you can make an attempt at not being force fed the larger pile of shit and bread.
Man you really are close. Unless you like the capitalist duopoly (which really they are two parties of capital so its hardly even a duopoly) then surely you must also understand from your vast studies that engaging with the lesser of two evils narrative is precisely how capital has been able to accrue more and more power over the systems that be. Every election cycle the Dems just move further right towards the Republicans and then y’all vote for them and wonder why shit sucks!
I dont subscribe to your defeatist attitude that allows you to justify inaction and shitty politics of individuality. Grow up and read some books.
That’s all entirely erroneous. Ignoring the reality of things for an idealist fantasy doesn’t make you morally superior, it makes you a tool.
What you call defeatism I call pragmatism and situational understanding. You’re demanding that perfection get in the way of progress or damage control, you’re not progressive, you’re exactly what the powers that be want you to be, absolutely fucking useless and ineffectual. You’re a dog of the state, they said roll over and you did exactly that.
Obligatory: Biden can go fuck himself right off a cliff. The narcissistic dogmatic prick refused to believe anyone but him could beat Trump…
He had to drop out because everyone was crying he was too old, then elected someone equally old but with an actual criminal record.
The “he had to drop out” part is the issue and it wasn’t just because of people crying about his age, the whole “we finally beat Medicare” and his brain melting on live t.v played a big part.
I’m like 90% sure he said he’d run for one term when running in 2020, but then he held on to the belief that he was the only one who could win for too long that getting primary elections set up would have taken too long. Republicans were already talking about going to court over Kamala being added to the rolls “too late” so Kamala was “forced” on us.
He didn’t specify one term in 2020. His aides kept making comments in that direction, but nothing definitive. Back then it made me afraid he’d try to stay for a second term, because that seemed like a sure way to lose…
I doubt that. The whole reason the DNC pushed him in and then kept him in the race wasn’t to stop Trump, it was to stop eftists from sneaking through the nomination process. The DNC “centrists” haven’t run a square primary since Obama stole the nomination from “it’s her turn” Hilary in 2008.
