• NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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    meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

    She was impeding traffic, that’s what started it all.

    Vehicles were able to get around her moving slowly, but she parked perpendicular to traffic in the middle of the road.

    Edit: I’m just going to edit this post here with this note and adding the quote above because things are ridiculous below. You block/impede the road, law enforcement is going to initiate contact. ICE, traffic cop, whatever. They initiated contact. Whatever the fuck happens after is another story, but OP’s “why is this asshole even talking to her” is a dead fucking simple answer. She was impeding traffic on the roadway, and they were there. If you all can’t understand that, or want to downvote me to oblivion because you can’t understand that, whatever go ahead.

    edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Royer is what would allow them to talk to her and initiate contact. Its everything that happened after that is the issue. She was not detained (from what I can tell), or being forced to do anything until the 2nd ICE vehicle arrived which seems to be a good 30 seconds later. The escalation happened after the arrival of the 2nd vehicle, and was initiated by the ICE agents in the 2nd vehicle.

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      Is it ICE’s job to enforce local traffic laws?

      Oh, that’s right, no.

      They have no legal basis to police that.

      Proper procedure would have been to call in the actual relevant local police.

      As with the entire rest of everything they are doing, ICE has no legal authority to just conduct … any kind of general traffic policing.

      If this ever gets a fair court hearing, everyone involved in this is going to prison for 20 years minimum… even cops have to be able to actually legally defend why they pulled someone over or stopped them, and ICE has no authority to generally do this.

      https://borderlessmag.org/2025/09/30/ice-know-your-rights-vehicle-stop-immigration-resources/

      ICE functions as a federal law enforcement agency with specific authority to enforce U.S. immigration laws within the country’s interior. Unlike local police officers, federal immigration agents cannot conduct stops based solely on traffic violations.

      They don’t get to just go about stopping and demanding answers of whoever they happen to run across,” said César Cuauhtémoc García Hernández, law professor at Ohio State University.

      You’re getting downvoted to hell on this because you are factually wrong.

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          No They Don’t.

          You are fucking wrong.

          Further… they were not actually impeded.

          Their vehicles, the size of her vehicle, where and how it was positioned in the road?

          They could have driven around her.

          Instead, they pulled up, dismounted, and surrounded her, tried to remove her from the vehicle.

          They have no authority to do that to just anyone who happens to be parked badly.

          ICE can only act to inhibit a person not immediately related to the specific warrant they are actively carrying out if said person is clearly, knowingly, intentionally inhibiting the execution of that specific warrant.

          That’s obstruction of justice, which they can actually arrest/detain someone for.

          That is not what occured here.

          Being annoying toward ICE, swearing at them, flipping them off, filming them, having a badly parked car in the middle of the road…

          None of that rises to obstruction of justice.

          There is no valid legal authority by which any Federal LEO can do what those degenerate murderous filth just did.

          Again, you are fucking wrong.

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            The guy you’re replying to is a fucking idiot. He keeps claiming I accused him of saying something because I asked him if he did. And the only reason I asked is because of his shitty wording that seemed to imply she got what she deserved.

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              … why double down when you can … what, quintuple down, instead?

              Oh well, adult US literacy rates are shockingly low these days, I guess.

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        No, I’m saying you were flat out wrong in your assertion that she did nothing to be approached by law enforcement officers.

        why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

        Take you pitchfork elsewhere and at least know WTF you’re talking about.

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            Hey man, you go ahead and park your car like she did somewhere populated and see how long until a cop comes to talk to you.

            You’re an idiot if you think thats a fascist take.

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              I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think I’ve seen 6-7 different videos and all of them so far start with her appearing to be turning the car around.

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                  Ok, thanks for that video. I think they did a great job of putting together the footage and mapping it out. I still don’t think we have info to say she was purposely impeding traffic. I get the impression they were possibly turning around the car and in the process some other cars got impatient and went around them. Then ice approached and escalated instantly like a bunch of murderous Nazis. Ice had a reason to ask them to move or what they were doing, but their actual reaction was fucking psychotic and violent.

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              Didn’t watch the videos, did you? They didn’t talk to her. They shouted at her, grabbed her door handle to pull her out, then shot her three (four?) times in the head.

              But here’s you deliberately mischaracterizing their actions as “talking to her” like that murderous fucking goon did NOT actually transfer his phone out of his shooting hand BEFORE he walked back to the driver’s side window.

              But yeah, you go ahead and bury yourself in the massive, overwhelming cognitive dissonance you have to manufacture for yourself to believe that this pack of ICE thugs did this as a group operating in concert because they all just wanted to – let me check your comments again – “talk to her.”

              That IS a fascist take. And I’d far rather be an idiot in your eyes than in any sort of alignment with the fascist slop in your head.

              EDITED to say I changed my mind – that’s not where he was going, it just seemed that way. He’s not actually batting for the fascists. Read the thread through to the end.

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                All I’m saying is they had every single right to initiate contact. What happens after that is completely another matter.

                why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

                Because she blocked the road and impeded their job.

                End of fucking story.

                Edit: And ya, you’re all idiots if you can’t see that.

                Edit: And yes i’ve seen the videos, and 3d modelling and all that shit of what happened, including her parking in the road that intiated the contact.

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                    also, for the record OP was using the “talk to her” language.

                    why is this asshole even talking to her

                    it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

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                    I quoted what started this whole thing.

                    Dude said that, tthen I replied, and then he accused me of saying saying it was her fault she killed herself got murdered.

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                She was impeding them. That gives them the ability to talk to her, traffic cop or not, wow.

                OP can’t even understand why they were talking to her.

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                  Did you miss the part of the extended video where she waves along several ICE vehicles that get past her without issue and without even having to turn? One ICE vehicle, after several have already passed, decides to stop and surround her vehicle. She was not impeding them at all.

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                    Yes I saw that video.

                    That is still impeding. Impeding doesn’t only mean completely stopped / blocked or prevented.

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                  That gives them the ability to talk to her

                  Why do the dumbest fucking people alive just think they can spout off what they imagine the rules are from the top of their head?

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      Hope you remember these words when the leopards eat your face and it’s your family being killed or thrown into Concentration Camps to be raped or enslaved. I hope you remember your boot licking got them killed.