• NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
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      No, I’m saying you were flat out wrong in your assertion that she did nothing to be approached by law enforcement officers.

      why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

      Take you pitchfork elsewhere and at least know WTF you’re talking about.

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          Hey man, you go ahead and park your car like she did somewhere populated and see how long until a cop comes to talk to you.

          You’re an idiot if you think thats a fascist take.

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            Didn’t watch the videos, did you? They didn’t talk to her. They shouted at her, grabbed her door handle to pull her out, then shot her three (four?) times in the head.

            But here’s you deliberately mischaracterizing their actions as “talking to her” like that murderous fucking goon did NOT actually transfer his phone out of his shooting hand BEFORE he walked back to the driver’s side window.

            But yeah, you go ahead and bury yourself in the massive, overwhelming cognitive dissonance you have to manufacture for yourself to believe that this pack of ICE thugs did this as a group operating in concert because they all just wanted to – let me check your comments again – “talk to her.”

            That IS a fascist take. And I’d far rather be an idiot in your eyes than in any sort of alignment with the fascist slop in your head.

            EDITED to say I changed my mind – that’s not where he was going, it just seemed that way. He’s not actually batting for the fascists. Read the thread through to the end.

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              All I’m saying is they had every single right to initiate contact. What happens after that is completely another matter.

              why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

              Because she blocked the road and impeded their job.

              End of fucking story.

              Edit: And ya, you’re all idiots if you can’t see that.

              Edit: And yes i’ve seen the videos, and 3d modelling and all that shit of what happened, including her parking in the road that intiated the contact.

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                  also, for the record OP was using the “talk to her” language.

                  why is this asshole even talking to her

                  it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job

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                    Okay, but I’m looking at all these frantic edits and P.S. additions “for the record” and I am wondering one thing. It’s a serious question, and not intended to disrespect. But I have to ask you:

                    What happens for you personally if I disregard the evidence of my eyes and lived experience and agree with you?

                    Because I literally do not have it in my soul to do so, nor does anyone with a conscience. How is it you find yourself standing so far outside of that group, and what does it do for you? Because I would literally, actively rather be dead than to be a person espousing the murder of a traffic violator under the color of law, and if there is some other way I can find human commonality with you I will, just because you’re clearly so invested.

                    So I ask you again: What happens for you personally if I disregard the evidence of my eyes and lived experience and agree with you?

                    Let’s find a shortcut that does not require me to sell my soul to third-party fascist propaganda to find the human commonality you seek here.

                    EDITED a word

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                  I quoted what started this whole thing.

                  Dude said that, tthen I replied, and then he accused me of saying saying it was her fault she killed herself got murdered.

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                    Also for the record:

                    Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe. Fascism is characterized by support for a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism, fascism is at the far-right of the traditional left–right spectrum.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism (emphases mine)

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              She was impeding them. That gives them the ability to talk to her, traffic cop or not, wow.

              OP can’t even understand why they were talking to her.

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                Did you miss the part of the extended video where she waves along several ICE vehicles that get past her without issue and without even having to turn? One ICE vehicle, after several have already passed, decides to stop and surround her vehicle. She was not impeding them at all.

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                  Yes I saw that video.

                  That is still impeding. Impeding doesn’t only mean completely stopped / blocked or prevented.

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                    Existing in proximity to ICE agents is impeding their operations only because the knuckle-dragging morons are incapable of leaving well enough alone. They could literally have just ignored her and it’d be as if she wasn’t even there.

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                That gives them the ability to talk to her

                Why do the dumbest fucking people alive just think they can spout off what they imagine the rules are from the top of their head?

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            I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think I’ve seen 6-7 different videos and all of them so far start with her appearing to be turning the car around.

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                Ok, thanks for that video. I think they did a great job of putting together the footage and mapping it out. I still don’t think we have info to say she was purposely impeding traffic. I get the impression they were possibly turning around the car and in the process some other cars got impatient and went around them. Then ice approached and escalated instantly like a bunch of murderous Nazis. Ice had a reason to ask them to move or what they were doing, but their actual reaction was fucking psychotic and violent.

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                    Okay. So I was wrong initially said that they had no reason to talk to her. What difference does that make anyhow?