Generally yes, but that is the flimsy formal legal line that exists in our current system that is ‘supposed’ to keep things in check.

Obviously, functionally, this fails all the time.

But… in this case… the Minneapolis PD have basically been ordered to just completely stop assisting ICE.

So now we get to see what happens when you completely remove that flimsy line.

… and the results are not looking so great for ICE or the … general concept that US citizens have rights.

Hah!

I was thinking of Hotline Miami, lol.

I will have to give the Great Escape a rewatch its been a long time.

Alright, so only three of your cited cases even involve Federal LEOs, Drayton and Manjarrez amd Ringold.

But you’re devoted to not understanding that difference, as you consistently conflate local, state and federal LEO as if they all play by exactly the same rules, have exactly the same jurisdictions.

You’re also sticking to a framework mostly built around what constitutes a permissible search or seizure … which… is not what we are talking about, we are talking about whether or not federal LEO can approach someone violating a local traffic law, who is otherwise not directly related to the law enforcement action they are presumably (we still don’t actually know) undertaking.

And only Cabelles and Ringold, as best I can tell, involves an actual traffic stop, the general context of a check on someone currently in a vehicle.

Drayton? Everyone is already inside a bus. Not federal LEOs dismounting their vehicle with specific intent to approach a citizen in their own vehicle.

Manjarrez? They’re detaining someone they suspect is themselves violating or had violated an immigration law, not some unrelated rando.

Ringold? Traffic stop by a federal LEO against a person suspected of violating federal law, not an unrelated rando violating a local traffic law.

Cabelles? No federal LEO involved.

So you’re just throwing spaghetti at a wall and hoping some of it will stick.

What you’d have to do is argue that Terry or Hensley just generally apply to all federal LEO, anywhere, all the time, as well as all of the local traffic laws of wherever they currently happen to be.

… Which would functionally formally turn them into the Gestapo, able to stop anyone at any time for any kind of reasonable suspicion of violating any traffic law, potentially any local law, or that they had in the past violated basically any law, ever.

If you passed a bar exam, that’s a terrifying indictment of whichever bar you passed.

Florida vs Royer is a yardstick that measures the legitimacy of a detention, search, or seizure.

It does not broadly grant any extra jurisdictional powers.

Its irrelevant to ‘did ICE have legal authority to approach the vehicle.’

ICE do not have any legal justification to give a shit about a blocked roadway, unless it is specifically impeding a specifically authorized judicial warrant they are executing.

ICE, lately, generally doesn’t execute legitimately authorized judicial warrants.

They execute administrative warrants.

Which specifically only grant them legal abilities directly tied to the person or place they are investigating or apprehending.

Normally, they are screened/escorted by the local police, because things like random traffic impediments can happen, and that’s the local police’s jurisdiction to deal with.

But they weren’t.

They had no legal authority, from an administrative warrant, to approach her vehicle.

If you want to argue that they do, then you are arguing that ICE has the legal ability to approach and question anyone, anywhere within … an unknown radius of the specific area laid out in the administrative warrant.

Thats the definition of a police state.

The whole point of the trade off between a judicial and adnimistrative warrant is that an admin warrant can be issued more rapidly, only requires clearing a lower bar … but its limited in temporal and physical scope to where it applies, whereas a judicial warrant must clear a higher bar, but grants LEOs broader powers.

Hi every one, my name is Tim, and I like video games.

I like it when kids can fully enjoy playing video games.

Kids are great, they’re the future, and they should be able to enjoy video games!

. … …

You know what else I like?

Well, its called ERP, and it stands for…

wretching, vomit splashing noises

Well maybe you can stop pretending to be some kind of legal and civics expert now…

Or are you still certain, as you were yesterday, that ICE was justified and acting legally when they uh, initiated the ‘traffic stop’ with Renee Good?

Am I gonna just have to keep correcting your misinformation, answering questions that can be solved by a web search in 30 seconds?

EDIT:

Context, for all the people who think I’m just making baseless assertions.

https://lemmy.world/comment/21485670

This user is playing a cute little game where I guess they just can’t recall the comments they made within the last 48 hrs, untill they do.

Could have sworn these were called ‘chiclets’ or something like that, but apparently not.

I mean, true, but, going by pornhub numbers from Republican areas… oh they see trans people all the time.

Yep, ding ding ding, buy a burner phone, with cash, from a store that doesn’t have many or very good cameras.

Bringing your real main phone is you thinking you know more about cybersecurity and surveillance than Palantir, than all the cybersec and intel firms the US Mil and Police departments have been partnering with with over a decade now.

99.99999999% chance you don’t.

Oh, you mean to file a complaint after the crime has been committed, ok.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/know-your-rights-official-hotlines-to-report-ice-or-dhs-abuse/ar-AA1PWTg9

ACLU: For national intake, you can file online via their civil liberties complaint form: American Civil Liberties Union You may also call their national office at (212) 549-2500 or toll-free at (888) 567-ACLU.

… and, that’s it! Nobody else has a phone number.

Well, other than if you want to call ICE or DHS or the DOJ and file a complaint with them, and ask them to investigate themselves.

Which is hopefully obviously laughably stupid.

There may be more local organizations with more local contact methods, I have no idea.

Is there some kind of immediate legal aid number you can call if something like this is happening?

No, not unless you know a cell of armed anarchists with a hotline, 80s horror movie animal masks, and a ‘party’ van.

Help! Government! Save me from the government!

No. No there’s no help line when the government is fully armed and fully tyrannical. Everyone else’s hands are tied.

The woman homeowner screaming so intently and so loudly was actually the most important thing that happened.

Because it attracted the general community, who slowly, but surely, began to filter in, then crowd in, with whistles, amplifying the general call to respond, essentially intimidating ICE by way of their being too many witnesses and potentially starting to outnumber them.

There’s no fucking hotline, there’s only people with a sense of duty to each other, trustworthy neighbors.

Here’s the actual legality of the situation:

If ICE doesn’t have a signed, JUDICIAL warrant, which they present to the homeowner, not an Administrative warrant, which they can auto produce for themselves…

… they’re not allowed in the house.

Almost everything ICE is doing is completely illegal.

You can get a signed Judicial warrant, and specifically go after a specific person.

You cannot randomly pull people out of their delivery cars because they are brown.

They could possibly stop her and her family and nab them out of the car, if they specifically had a signed Judicial warrant for specifically her or her family (who was in the car with her)… but they almost never do, which means almost everything they are doing is illegal, making them actually a well organized and government backed criminal organization.

Its… not entirely clear if the homeowner woman initially invited the doordash woman in, or if the doordash woman more or less barged her way in…

But… yeah.

This whole situation is beyond fucked.

The Gestapo is here, and they’re coming to your house next.

… What will you do?

How will history judge that?

I haven’t attempted to run Void Linux in years, so, a question for you:

Can you run Steam on it?

Fuck, didn’t see your comment, but I made the same comment.

Some kind of cave/canyon area for non system d linux variants.

Can we maybe have Void Linux as like, an entrance to a foreboding cave of some kind?

I’m… trying to figure out if you could make the ‘topology’ here work with non system d variants of linux, but I can’t figure out how.

My god, the outspoken billionaire pedophile club just keeps growing.

Just can’t fucking help themselves.

… though… that… does makes sense, that you would lack self-inhibition… if you were a pedophile.

Hooray clown world!

… Some time back I put forward the idea of just making a game that is like, half splinter cell/mgs stealth combat, and half dating sim.

Basically, you have to guide the neediest, clumsiest, insecure, easily distracted, most frustrating npc through what is ostensibly a combat game… but the game just actually is an escort quest, with extra steps.

I put it forward as a joke, and a surprising number of people said they’d play it.

Apparently, fun, … is just a kind of frustration, that I guess… seems solvable.

While I agree with you in theory, in practice, no, we could not transform that fast, to a significant degree, unless we first basically had something like a Maoist genocide of current landowners, burned all the existing building and land use codes, and started over.

More than just the whole… rich people have way too much control over society thing…

The amount of NIMBYism in the US is insane.

(Not In My BackYard)

Every single element of every city’s zoning laws and building regulations are designed to benefit existing property owners and existing properties, as they currently are.

We would have to dismantle a whole lot of that to actually change the fundamental street grid system.

… The problem is complex not so much in technical, engineering, how do we actually do this kinds of ways… but in the way of: there are way too many powerful groups and actors that will fuck up every stage of any process that is attempting to change anything about urban design.

I guess you could say our governance structures are as gridlocked as the actual streets are.

So, to combine both:

Make The Sims, but they are taught to be industrial engineers, who build factories instead of homes.

You can only partially direct their social and personal actions, you can’t do the builder aspect of The Sims now, you have to teach them how to do it.

And your Sims have to both hit production quotas, and also not all kill each other.

Or, make Factorio, but what you’re building is personality templates, who you then put into some kind of dollhouse type environment, and keep testing, untill you manufacture androids that produce the… sitcoms?.. that you desire.

… so you’re saying to use i guess infinite amounts of energy to … do abiotic synthesis and just literally produce hydrocarbons?

… Like, just Fischer-Troph everything?

I suspect you are wildly oversimplifying the complexity of the chemical processes involved…

…for the general concept of what you are saying, to make actual sense…

Your abiotic hydrocarbon synthesis process would have to be less energy demanding than the constant surplus energy production rate of a theoretical over unity fusion generator.

Just getting any fusion generator than is any miniscule amount of truly over unity, thats not enough.

Thats infinite energy… if you have an infinite amount of time to wait, and an infinite amount of some kind of battery system to contain that energy in.

Synthetic fuel production is kind of notorious for being immensely energy intensive.

And for FT at least, you need a feedstock of either biomass, coal or natural gas.

If you want to just do some kind of variant of an FT like process, where your feedstock is ultimately ‘refined air’… you’re going to need even more energy, a fusion generator than is over unity by an even larger margin.

It is a little more complicated than just ‘heat up CO2’.

Unless you can point me to … somebody who has actually worked out the chemistry of how you can just synthesize hydrocarbons from… ambient CO2… that you’re scrubbing from the air… demonstrated this entire process at a tiny scale as proof of concept… and described the total amount of energy required to power this process…

Yeah I’m calling bullshit.