• daannii@lemmy.world
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    Fyi. Lots of research already showing kids don’t learn anything from AI and in fact it makes them dumber because they don’t learn to read or write. Just speak keywords.

    https://youtu.be/v0Y2oeXUIqQ “The kids are getting dumber” -UpperEchelon

    https://youtu.be/Fe_HPYh3q0Y “AI is creating idiots”- -UpperEchelon

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/11/is-ai-dulling-our-minds/

    https://medium.com/@akshaykokane09/is-ai-making-us-smarter-or-dumber-surprising-insights-from-recent-research-1caf49ff910d

    https://time.com/7276807/why-students-using-ai-avoid-learning/

    https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2024/is-ai-making-us-dumber-.html

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      Which is obvious to anyone who has read theory about how we learn.

      The right amount of struggle is critical to learning. When I tutor or teach, I don’t just give them the fucking answer, which is what AI does. With AI, there’s no tolerance for confusion or having to process things - it’s just type in the question and copy/paste the answer.

      There’s just a fundamental ignorance of learning here with the push for AI - as if knowledge is just a list of facts.

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    Didn’t everyone figure out screen time learning didn’t work during COVID?

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    it’s not enough they want to gut the public school system with charter schools pushing all kinds of garbage, now they want to send the few precious education dollars to AI bros.

    fuck this entire reality

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      That’s not what the data says. These kids are going to outpace traditional learning kids by miles.

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            • “AI should serve as a scaffold for cognitive construction rather than a substitute.”
            • “…the teacher’s role is shifting from knowledge transmission to instructional design and behavioral facilitation… Teachers must develop digital literacy and data fluency while acting as safeguards against over‑automation, ensuring that human judgment and educational values mediate AI adoption.”
            • “…while AI offers efficiency and feedback advantages, traditional teaching remains essential for tasks requiring cultural interpretation, discourse depth, and emotional connection. A blended model—AI for repetitive or procedural tasks and teachers for critical discourse—appears most effective.”

            This study explicitly does not advocate for replacing teachers with AI, and repeatedly cautions against doing so

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                Ironically… so did I 🙃 But I hand-verified everything it said, and adjusted the quotes.

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              And the school that is opening will still have human “guides” so I’m curious how it will work out. I agree it should be a mix of AI and human, and not fully AI.

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            These findings highlight both the promise and the limitations of AI in language education, underscoring the importance of teacher facilitation and thoughtful design of human–AI interaction to support deep and sustainable learning.

            The problem is there’s no teachers in this scenario, at least that’s my understanding

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              You’re right, they will have “guides” instead of teachers. This might be to far, but we won’t know until they try it. A mix of human and AI teachers would probably be best.

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        AI hasn’t even been around long enough for any meaningful data to be collected surely. Also, post this “data” you’ve twice now claimed exists.

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          Why are you hounding them for the data? They would swear on their honor that Grok said it, and that’s somehow not enough for you. They even asked a follow-up “Are you sure?”, to which Grok reaffirmed its findings. Maybe you should be practicing law if you want to act like you care so much about “evidence”.

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            This is for college students (aka students educated enough to learn on their own already), reads like a promotion for AI, has a limited sample size and does not translate to school kids at all and from the study itself:

            Finally, the study’s limitations include its single-institution sample, short duration, and reliance on proxy behavioral indicators. Ethical concerns around informed consent, data privacy, and AI dependency also warrant closer attention. Future research should pursue longer-term and cross-institutional designs, employ multimodal behavioral measures, and develop governance frameworks that align technical gains with equity, autonomy, and critical capacity.

            This “”study”” seems to spend more time opining on AI learning frameworks than actually measuring scores on standardised testing and only dedicates a minimal amount of the paper to the results. It also states in paper that higher achieving college students saw less benefits (poorer performing student, AI can bump your grades enough to be noticeable for a unit/pass an exam).

            Did you read this study or google something in order to provide a study? This study does not support the claim that “these kids will perform traditional learning by miles”.

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              It’s also for learning English, which is something a large language model is probably the most suitable for. It’s not going to be much use teaching music or drama.

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              No, the end part was my own opinion. I do believe classrooms that embrace AI will outperform tradition learning classrooms by a mile.

              Already yes the study is limited, AI learning is very new. Want me to pull out of study from 20 years ago with decades of proven data?

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                You said the data says otherwise which you then used to support that opinion. The data doesn’t say otherwise.

                Want me to pull out of study from 20 years ago with decades of proven data?

                Almost like that was in my original comment that you then replied to with a study as if it were compelling, so spare me the sassy comment. Don’t claim the data says otherwise when it doesn’t if you don’t want to be called out on it.

      • Really? Because the data I’ve seen says the exact opposite and that Gen Z is the first generation of people dumber than the generation before them. These kids are already fucked and AI is going to make it even worse.

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          I’ve seen says the exact opposite and that Gen Z is the first generation of people dumber than the generation before them.

          Do you have a citation for this?

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          That generation is fucked yes. There is no fixing that with AI. This is for young gen A or gen beta. Green Z is already too old for this to be useful for them.

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        The only research I’ve seen on using LLMs in a school setting found that the kids that were given access to an LLM performed a bit better on exercises that those without. At the same time their experienced learning was a lot better. When they finally got a test assignment, the kids that had been using LLMs during exercises flopped and performed significantly worse than those that hadn’t.

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    I’m old enough to have seen the advent of computers as a teacher. Immediately, the word was spread that computers would replace teachers. They didn’t. With the advent of the internet, again, proponents said it would eliminate teachers. It didn’t. The reason almost all attempts failed was because the main purpose of teachers is not to diseminate knowledge. It’s to hold accountable, inspire, spark imagination, encourage, make human connections, give emotional support, coach, and teach responsibility. There are some students that will do well in a teacherless classroom. The majority won’t.

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      Immediately, the word was spread that computers would replace teachers. They didn’t.

      From my context: Oklahoma’s biggest school district is Epic Charter Schools, an online charter. Teachers have class rosters that can range from pre-K to adult high schoolers, without the expectation that they be certified in any of the subjects they are teaching.

      It is entirely “grading” online course work (eg, putting in 100s for AI generated essay garbage) and trying to make sure the kids actually log in at least once a week (many families know that they just not do anything for two weeks, then log in to do a 3 question “bellwork” for attendance to not be kicked out/still get access to the fun money “learning fund” from the government)

      Oklahoma also has “emergency certification” where any bachelors degree is enough. There was recently a bill trying to ensure that adjunct teachers have high school diplomas at bare minimum.

      So while you can’t replace teachers with computers, they’re trying!

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        That’s crazy. I taught elementary. For that you need a Bachelor’s that includes enough credits in one subject to be a “teachable,” and then two years of teacher’s college. In elementary, you teach all the subjects except French. In high school, you need two teachables. Of course, you can be called on to teach a course that isn’t one of your teachables, but they try not to. Canada.