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I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If you want them held accountable then it’s time to take matters into our own hands. It really is time for us to start shooting ICE on sight if we want to keep our communities safe. What other choice have they left us?
Just got banned from Reddit for suggesting we should be ready to kill our murderers if we’re going to be killed anyways. People are not ready to hear this, but they fucking need to.
Reddit admins are known Nazi simps, and Spez is a pedo. Going to be a lot of accounts that go down before they can’t keep up.
Good news is we can just adopt the same tactics the right wingers and rich fucks use.
Make lots of alts and let them simmer for a couple weeks. Time for us to make our own propaganda machines.
To everyone who reads this, that’s how you can contribute of you don’t want to or can’t fight. Also please stock up on medical and food supplies. Fighters don’t win without support.
i’ve been commenting this all over tiktok and any chance i get. i genuinely want to understand why its not already happening. the USA’s whole deal with the right to bear arms is seeming more like an excuse to shoot kids in schools than actually protect yourselves.
is there an actual answer?
Yes cowardice and domestication is the answer. Americans are little more than livestock for the rich that run our country. We are too soft, too scared, and too disorganized to actually shoot them like the rabid animals they are. Not all of us mind you, but enough to sow confusion in the working class and make doing the right thing seem socially unacceptable.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
Post-mortem determination of guilt.
You were shot therefore you must have been a bad person deserving of being shot.
This is toxic thinking at it’s finest.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
There is a saying of what do you call 9 people having dinner with 1 Nazi? 10 Nazis. Starting to think that the major media is just a bunch of Nazis.
Doesn’t that make them accessories after the fact to murder?
I fear you’re right. The vice president said the shooter has full immunity. ICE can kill people with impunity now.
Fuck this hurts. Probably because it’s so true. I really don’t want it to come to it, but I’m gradually realizing I may have to protect myself from people I know and love.
What is it about giving permission for violence that draws people? Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
Like I’m an ex boxer, and even I avoid street fights at all cost!
You probably saw Con Air and don’t want to end up in Nicholas Cage’s role from that movie, I’d reckon, as well!
Whoa! You don’t know me like that. But it seems you do.
I also think about the first Jack Reacher movie. Where Tom Cruise’ character asks them if they’re ‘sure they want to do this’ right before wiping out a bunch of dudes 5:1.
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Sounds like you wandered into ml
Unfortunately it was not, it was lefty memes on dbzer0.
Which book?
I assume this one.
He absolutely is. It’s clear as day.
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
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What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
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Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
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Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
I’m glad I’m not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won’t.
As someone who lives in Canada, same here. I’ve been in the past (IE. Pre-Trump) and it was lovely but I probably won’t go again. In our household we don’t even buy American products or shop in American stores anymore if we can possibly help it.
I know a lot of people who do the same too. I don’t think the US has quite grasped yet how much it has pissed Canada off, and how long the road is going to be to start fixing that up, if they even want to try. Certainly at the moment they seem to be set on making it worse and worse each day.
Time to turn our attention from not engaging with anything American to actively preparing to fight and disrupt America. Wherever you are.
Do not buy American products. Do not buy domestically produced products where an American company gets money (Coca Cola for example). If you can’t afford alternatives, do without.
Learn civil defense skills.
we need to treat it as a cautionary tale and fight to ensure that never happens in our countries. Americanism must be rejected at all costs.
When will centrists realize that this isn’t a both sides thing?
I am disgusted and scared, fuck the center of this country that ignored these problems until they tore it apart.
If a “centrist” can’t tell the difference between Nazi gestapo and people who just want to live their lives, they are indistinguishable from Nazis themselves and should be treated as such
Though the Nazis will certainly be able to distinguish between full throated Nazis and centrists, when it comes time for picking the new outgroup. It’s part of why centrists annoy me so much — tolerance towards Nazis is literally a slow motion suicide
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Anybody who claims to be a “centrist” and supports almost anything Trump’s party is doing is not a centrist, they are right wing.
Being “centrist” shouldn’t mean “I support the republicans and democrats equally” it should mean “I can see the value in social and capitalist policies and think there is a middle-ground between them”
Capitalist systems are so existentially and catastrophically broken that in order to find a middle ground you have to turn off the rational part of your brain. Centrists cannot handle the implications of this so they consciously or subconsciously thought terminate back to “I support the republicans and democrats equally”.
It’s easy to hand wave and say, “the other people are idiots who never free think” it’s harder to sit and rationalise why people that disagree with you might actually have valid things to say.
I mean… it is a “both sides” thing in the sense that there is a heavily armed paramilitary group with no oversight abducting and gunning down anyone they want. Doesn’t matter how you voted or how many maga hats you buy, if they decide you are “an illegal” they’ll toss your wallet away and load you into the back of a van.
Indeed, it’s not as if Obama or Biden dismantled ICE when they took office. They are all part of the same machine.
ICE is a paramilitary death squad.
Centrist here.
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Fuck off with your anti-centrist bigotry and caricatured centrist views.
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It is a both sides thing, because your fucking pussies of a Democrat party are showing what wealth hoarding, vote chasing cowards they are, by keeping their heads down and mounting zero opposition to your government being seized by a populist dictator. They are clearly not a viable alternative to this atrocity. We need to replace the whole two party, capitalism-corrupted system, not just ensure that your supposed “good guy party” wins the next election.
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Being a centrist doesn’t make me a milquetoast appeaser. It means I reject the dichotomy that the only alternative to this populism is more capital-first liberal greed.
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Your view of centrists, casting them all as people who can’t decide between the two obvious alternatives, rather than people who reject both, is the one thing that both the left and the right agree on. It’s propaganda to keep one of the two extractive elites in power and prevent us from ever even discussing actual alternatives.
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Same thing, for math lovers: if you take a 1D slice through a n-dimensional normal distribution of views, the more perpendicular a dimension is to yours, the less correlated they are, the more those views will tend to map to the center of the dimension you’re insisting on, despite being actually just as distinct. It’s your insistence on this 1D view that creates centrists, and your dismissal of them is propaganda to prevent real change.
Assuming you’re in USA, you do understand that there’s only right and extreme right ? There is no proper representation for the center or the left over there. I hope you vote closest to your convictions though, as not voting is akin to voting for the elected party. “No vote” actually won the last elections, too bad “No vote” isn’t a center party. You got extreme right instead.
lol fuck off centrist.
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ICE says the woman, later identified as Renee Good, was shot in her car after attempting to ram into agents. Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz are disputing ICE’s version of events.
Feel free to add your own interpretation of the video, intrepid MPR news reporter and stop repeating ICE’s bullshiat*t,
If that’s what happened, they should release the body cam footage… Oh wait.
Time to get back out there and fight back against their bot accounts and MAGA zealots from reframing this stuff yet again. If you deleted your social media accounts then it’s time to get them back and actually put content out to refute bullshit. Call out the leftists telling you to disengage or “Don’t wrestle with pigs”. Fuck the pigs up. It’s a numbers game and the more content shared the more opinions will change over time.
If you’re all willing to drive multiple states to go stand in the streets to protest once a year, but you can’t be bothered to stop the spread of disinformation and their media from getting to the eyes and ears of the general public then it’s a bit like you’re trying to rebuild a fence after it collapsed rather than just going out there to put some new posts in before it fell.
If you think that only the democrats can solve this. Then don’t bother replying. I don’t think you’re worth any effort or time. If you’re response is something about ‘democrats aren’t doing anything’ don’t bother. You’re weak and nobody should listen to you ever.
So go out there. Stop hiding. Make your views public again.
If everybody started saying shit that maga wants censored, then it would overwhelm the censors. You’re absolutely right it’s the way to go. We saw this when Luigi rightfully took out that CEO. It’s time for violence and it’s time to be loud about it.
Exactly, and I keep seeing people quote this 3% rule regarding protests. That it takes 3% of a population to protest to succeed. But it’s wrong. It isn’t protests. It’s opinions. It takes 3-10% of a population to change their opinion on a topic for the whole group to change. This is why Russia and right wing bots and censorship and attacking left wing views until they left digital spaces become so popular. They wanted every post and every comment section to be talking about their views, kitty litter, trans bathrooms, gun rights, woke, CRT, DEA. The left let them get away with this too long. It’s a numbers game. Every post from the right must be met with 2 from us. Every comment must be met with 5 more from us. Like Sean Connery said, it’s the Chicago way.
The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee’s children will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini’s response is simply disgusting.
Meanwhile trump posted this, disgusting. How deep the USA has sank, my god
That is one of the boldest lies I’ve ever seen.
Get them the fuck out of my city. I’m so fucking sick of them coming here and trying to target minorities. We have immigrant populations. So what, it’s one of our strengths.
Fuck ICE.
That mother fucker WALKED over to the victims car, while putting his gun away! “Scared for his life”? “In the hospital recovering”?
This stupid fucking “president” of ours has lost his fucking mind if he believes the shit coming from his mouth!
He fucking knows that the stupid fuckers that follow him will eat this shit up and believe anything he says.
GET THIS FUCKER OUT OF OFFICE!
FUCK trump! FUCK ice! FUCK nazis!
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Make fun of how I talk all you want. It was still murder.
A lot of people still think the mcdonalds hot covfefe lawsuit was bullshit. The first to speak wins, even if it’s a lie disproven later.
He doesn’t believe any of this shit, but he thinks his base is dumb enough to believe him; and he’s right about that.
No, he hasn’t lost his mind. This is what MAGA wants. They want revolts. They want a civil war. We’ll, they are just about to get one over this.
You mean like how what China really wanted during the Tiannamen Square massacre was revolts and civil war?
The neoconfederates are already at the federal level, toppling the US constitution from the Executive and the Supreme branches of government, and two out of three is all that’s needed to subvert the last and weakest regardless of midterms, assuming they go to plan. Meanwhile people like you are thinking you are going to win by not fighting.
The Trump administration doesn’t need to manufacture excuses, they make them up on the spot or wait for people to post-rationalize them - look at the Venezuelan invasion. What the administration is prodding for is the nail that sticks out so they can hammer it before it becomes a spiked club to get stricken by. The real problem isn’t revolts or fighting back against an unconstitutional federal government, the real problem is when they are singular and isolated due to attitudes that suppress them, and those attitudes are coming from both sides.
The original US colonies reformed time and time again. The solidification into the indoctrination of an indivisible global power into the American psyche is an extension of the same sort of Manifest Destiny / Monroe Doctrine the US continues to extend today that serves the international corporations solidified into existence by the same Civil War.
If you want to remain a single country, don’t expect the rest of the world to ever treat a nation the same again that on the flip of an administration burned all the bridges it took decades to build up through international cooperation and governance, at the very least not without the same sort of introspection Germany had to go through - something inconceivable to the American patriotic mindset. However, Nazi Germany needed to be defeated first. For Germany, was it better that there had to exist enough opposition to beat and subvert Nazi Germany, or would it have been better if the Nazi had been beaten internally by Germans themselves? The same is not going to happen for the US.
This is Trumps plan. He has been trying to find a sedition or act of rebellion since he took office. He needs to declare martial law to stop the 2026 election or he will be impeached.
He didn’t need a plan for January 6th. This isn’t a plan, this is an argument he will abuse to that end. Just because a dictator would twist an argument to his own ends does not stop making it a good argument.
Trump has the executive branch, the most powerful branch of the government which he has already used to cause major staff turnover wherever he could.
He has the judicial branch there to back them up.
He might lose part of the legislative branch, the one in charge of legislation he is ignoring almost on a daily basis, whose impeachment process would take several months and would require the involvement of, you’ve guessed it, federal agencies.
He can even handle losing one or two states by forcing martial law, which his ICE brown nosers are already acting like and being funded to the level off, as you say. I’ll quote myself again:
The real problem isn’t revolts or fighting back against an unconstitutional federal government, the real problem is when they are singular and isolated due to attitudes that suppress them, and those attitudes are coming from both sides.
You think this is Trump’s plan, and somehow think getting states to ignore the constitution and the system of law isn’t. ICE brown nosers are already acting like soldiers imposing their own martial law. Both are things he can exploit, and ironically enough he would have less of a hand in that of martial law since they would supersede ICE. Not that I have any hope of federal troops of doing the right thing, I just don’t see them as willing to do the wrong thing.
But you can easily convince me that states shouldn’t rise up together against an unconstitutional and corrupt federal government. Tell me when in history a wannabe dictator has been stopped by following the proper process after they have subverted it to the degree while continually ignoring. Israel? Venezuela? Russia? The closest I can remember is South Korea’s Yoon - except that was possible due to their Constitutional Court not being subverted, their federal agencies not having been rolled over, and a national assembly that was able to impeach him, and even that had to make national headlines.
By all means don’t rise up and fight by yourself, if that’s what you think I’m suggesting. The only way that will end up working is if it is coordinated across states. The fact is your system of government is already no longer functioning, whether you choose to act as if it is or not.
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
They are just trying to make America safe by making it as dangerous as possible for absolutely no fucking reason. Got it. Thank you for your services. I hope we can make Trump and his secret police as safe as they’ve made us.
So US citizens glad to continue working and be productive for this 'leader"? Letting someone who lies like we breath be the mouthpiece (well anus for the amount of shit it spews) of your country.
I hope for the best of most US citizens but I do hope they take some determination for their country.
You weren’t always the best but you were better than what you’ve all let your country become. No one is ever best in all ways, but this is the same as Russia, Nazi Germany etc.
It is the country of US citizens afterall, without action it’s only to be believed that the populace accept it.
You make a good point. I had a talk with my boss on Monday and told him about how my mental health is pretty low right now because of politics. I’m building a foundation for a general strike, so when it happens maybe I won’t lose my job or become homeless. Maybe I will anyway, no idea.
More people need to do this.
General strike NOW
Bit late of a reply but you’ll probably lose any ideals your country stood for before you lose your job at that rate. At one point the US stood up to bullies now they let the most thin skinned douche make all the decisions. Congrats.
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This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I’m saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
Idk what’s scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
A nation of savages that cant risk their own creature comforts to stop pedophiles and murderers. Remember that any one of them could be a mass shooter, they should be banned from entering other countries for nation security.
Ahhhh yes it’s actually our fault! How silly of us! I live in rural Arkansas without enough money to buy gas to get to Minnesota, so please do tell what you expect me to do.
Inform people what happened, explain to the ones that you know will listen and understand how as welly why it’s wrong. How ICE is serving as an internal terror organization within this country. Not everyone can go out shooting but make a meal for those who do kinda thing.
What makes you think I don’t do all of those things? I’m just not out killing people and then dying myself so what’s the fucking point right? Blood for the blood god!
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anything you can, with anyone else who will. you want to know what doesn’t help? doing nothing.
So many people act like it’s no big deal to start a violent revolution against the most militarized government in history and it’s fucking absurd.
not at all. but what it is, is necessary.
i know it’s fucking crazy, but here we are. America has been taken over by fascists. They are not just going to leave. The suffering, for not just America but the world, will only get worse until the American public, the State governments, the military, do what needs to be done.
I’m sorry that America is at the point of Civil War, but it is. That fact isn’t just going to go away. No one is coming to save America.
I honestly think, deep down, most Americans know this. But the reality of it, the shock of it, is just too great. The cognitive dissonance is too overwhelming.
but what it is, is necessary.
WRONG. Becoming violent at this point is the single most idiotic, stupid thing we could do right now.
That’s what this escalation is designed to provoke.
Do you really think the US government does not know how to deal with violent protests? It’s what they want.
“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.” – John Lennon
sure bud. good luck hugging your way to freedom while ppl die.
we all recall how historically fascism was defeated through hugs and jokes.
The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version, I’m sure they’ll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It’s abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
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It’s not like she obviously wanted to drive away as ICE tried to open her door
There wasn’t an attempt but it could have been misinterpreted by the agent
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Ice shot citizen for exercising constitutionally protected right
ICE’s only purpose is violating constitutionally protected rights.
Yes but I thought mine was a better headline
Agreed.
Some are saying the boot will be on the other foot one day.
