Israel and the US are birds of a feather.

Oh, I must have missed all the comments calling every America a nation comprised entirely of Nazis and war junkies, let me double check… no, still can’t find them. Weird.

Now I’m criticizing Israel’s role and you’re trying to blame the US.

No, what you’re now doing is throwing insults at me. There’s no actual criticism, you just decided Israelis are demons from hell, and are enraged someone is trying to show they’re human beings.

You’re just playing debatebro

I’m disagreeing with the conclusion of the opinion piece this post is about and trying to have a normal talk about it in order to understand how you view things.

and latching onto whatever bullshit you can find

You’ve shown a picture of a bombing made by the US and are blaming it on Israel. It’s not some small minor detail.

to try to label me as antisemitic

I really wasn’t, I was giving you a chance to correct yourself. All you had to say was “OK, that was the fault of the US, my bad for mislabeling the image. Of course I wasn’t trying to say Israel is controlling the US”. Maybe throw in a “That said, Israel has also bombed schools and hospitals”. Granted, that takes a bit more effort than calling me a Nazi for the 14th time and would require you to have just a smidge of self criticism.

no one wants you here.

Right, God forbid you might encounter a different opinion. Don’t forget to make fun of Republicans for being willfully stuck in an echo chamber.

I didn’t say Israel didn’t do anything wrong or that it’s all the Palestinians fault. I just said the reason Israelis want to destroy Iran’s missile and nuclear programs is mainly because they are genuinely afraid Iran is developing said programs to be used against them, and that fear isn’t unreasonable. You’re acting like even considering this possibility is the same as being pro-genocide.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/20/trump-says-us-intelligence-wrong-about-iran-not-building-nuclear-bomb

Sorry, “United States President Donald Trump has said…” isn’t really a reliable source for me.

No I would not claim that. 90% is weapon grade enrichment, 60% is not

But 60% lacks any civilian uses, so the most obvious reason to go to 60% is because it’s between 20% and 90%…

Those two evidence shows that Iran did not seek a nuke but to negotiate.

Now you’re just switching arguments. That doesn’t really address what I said about you argument being self-contradictory.

Anyway, I think I’ve learned all I can from you. Feel free to have the last word.

Show citations that:

1. Iran can get to 90% within three weeks.

2. That is the only thing stopping Iran from building a nuclear bomb.

3. Iran had the means to launch a nuclear bomb at Israel.

4. That is the only thing stopping Iran from being able to actually hit Israel with a nuclear bomb (hint: Israel has some experience at stopping Iranian missiles).

5. Iran views a nuclear bomb as their only option of annihilating Israel at this moment.

If iran plan was to build a nuke and enrich to 90% american and israeli inteligence would have known about it.

I don’t know that they don’t know about it. You’re the one who said that the US intelligence believe Iran isn’t aiming to build a nuke, but didn’t provide any source to that claim. And if they did know about it, you would have called it speculation, like you did to the same statement that was brought up in you own citation that has also been made by experts in their field.

Also, why should we stop at 90%? If tomorrow we’ll find proof Iran has enriched to 90%, you could claim “Well, they just enriched to 90% as a negotiation tool. Now they’re putting the uranium in a bomb only as a negotiation tool. Look, they’re putting the bomb on a missile as a negotiation tool, they clearly don’t plan to actually use it. Now they’re doing a countdown as a negotiation tool. Don’t worry, they launched the missile, but it’s just a tool to speed negotiations, they’ll overshoot Israel and the missile will harmlessly hit the ocean”.

By your logic, no one has any plan to do anything if they have the technical means to do so but didn’t do it. Except even then you have a factual mistake, as 90% enriched uranium isn’t the only thing Iran lacks to launch a nuclear missile.

Oh, and your claim is somewhat self-contradictory - If it’s so clear Iran is enriching uranium as a negotiation tactic, doesn’t that make the tactic pointless? Like, if I’m negotiating with someone and I make a claim that I clearly know the other side knows is false, how does that help my case? That’s like Trump level negotiations, and Iran isn’t that dumb.

Do you Zionazis not have another line?

I have plenty of them, like, as I said earlier, the fact that Israel didn’t bomb that school. It’s just that you chose to comment only on that one.

This has been the case since their formation, and they have never shown any restraint, or understanding for said “moral duty”

You’re using too broad a brush IMO.

I’m the parent that says, if you don’t stand up to a bully, nobody else will do it for you, and once they’re finished bullying you, they will keep bullying others.

From where I’m standing, you’re the parent that says that if the bully is bigger, you should just bring a shiv to school and stab him.

And they should be scared shitless about Iran attacking them. Wouldn’t you?

Of course I would. And Israel is scared shitless of Hamas and Hezbollah launching rockets at cities, invading and mass murdering citizens. But still that doesn’t mean everything it did is justified.

And that’s what they do during wartime. In “peacetime” they go underground and set up elaborate lobby groups like AIPAC and use agents like Epstein to play the long game, so when they do radical genocide like this, the media and the biggest military police force are all in their pocket.

Here’s the thing, I could write “Wow, the Jews Zionist sure do control the media and politics!”, but then you’ll say “ha ha, what a Zionist apologist, you really have one argument”. If it helps, I don’t think that’s specifically anti-Jewish sentiment, it’s just a sub-set of “there’s some group that we don’t like that has un-proportional power and use it to do bad things”.

1. I gave multiple links to a few sources. Could you narrow it down, or just say what you’re referring to plainly?

2. Al Jazeera stated the specific cluster munition used by Iran is more dangerous to civilians. They might have not done their homework, but unless you’ll at least explain what you’re basing your claim on, I don’t think I can address the claim.

3. Many reasons, to name a few: There’s better sigint to identify such activities, Israel was/is backed by the US and NK was/is backed by China. But this line of talk kinda shifts the burden on proof on me. You asked me a question, I answered it. If you’d like to claim that Iran is in the same position to build a nuke as Israel and NK were in the past, you should do so.

It would have taken 3 weeks to build a nuke. They did not. That’s the only fact

OK, and your own source state that “fact” where…?

And why are you disregarding things that have been clearly stated in your source that disagree with you?

Also, by that logic, since it would have taken Israel a few weeks to murder the entire Palestinian population in Gaza and they did not, any claim that there’s a genocide in Gaza is wrong.

The school in Iran was bombed by the US, and while I don’t deny the IDF has done similar things (and I’m honestly not condoning them for it), blaming this specific bombing on Israel it very close to a blood libel.

Assuming you’re from the US, this is more on you for electing Trump.

Dude, that’s hilarious, your own source disagrees with your conclusion:

“Iran has no civilian use or justification for its production of 60 percent enriched uranium, particularly at the level of hundreds of kilograms. Its rush to make much more, quickly depleting its stock of near 20 percent enriched uranium, which has a civilian use in research reactors, raises more questions. Even if one believed the production of 60 percent is to create bargaining leverage in a nuclear negotiation, Iran has gone way beyond what would be needed. One has to conclude that Iran’s real intent is to be prepared to produce large quantities of WGU as quickly as possible, in as few centrifuges as possible.”

Not surprisingly, and in its understated style, the IAEA reiterated in this most recent report: “The significantly increased production and accumulation of highly enriched uranium by Iran, the only non-nuclear-weapon State to produce such nuclear material, is of serious concern.”"

Yes, yes, I know - zionazi, lies, Netanyahu etc.

If that’s a photo of what your implying, I sincerely hope the family allowed for it to be used like this.

My guess is that you have no idea and the thought didn’t cross your mind.

They was at 60% for years

The Arms control association seems at the very least as a good starting off source. If you disagree with their assessment, feel free to link to other sources. I’m sure you’ll get on it right after the citation about the American intelligence.

You just a zionazi who repeat Netenyahu lies

Right, I’m the one just repeating things mindlessly. On an unrelated note, calling me Nazi Zionist colonialist liar for 10 times didn’t really get you anywhere, but I have a good feeling about the 11th time.

I don’t, those children suffered enough.

(CerealKiller01 would like to take this opportunity to say he doesn’t take lightly the murder of children, but he also doesn’t appreciate using murdered children as a rhetorical device)

Now now, that’s not in the the Lemmy spirit. https://lemmy.world/post/45328499

Your source did not say iran was seeking a nuke.

You’re right, it said “Iran’s advances included enriching uranium to 60 percent, a level close to weapons-grade that has no practical civilian application, and deploying advanced centrifuges that enrich uranium more efficiently.” They’re probably just doing it as a prank. Maybe they’ll open the centrifuges and fake snakes will pop out of them.

American inteligence

Look, I gave several links to my claims. At the very least try and provide a source instead of repeating the same things.

fatwa by the sepreame leader himself

Oh, awesome, the supreme leader of Iran pinky swore Iran isn’t building a bomb.

Wow, I did nazi that coming. (don’t worry, I’m don’t with you, you can continue calling me a Nazi uninterrupted. Just couldn’t decide between this and the antisemitism comment)

You (I’m guessing, but fell free to correct me): Israel writes off every piece of criticism as antisemitic! What a dirty, bad faith dishonest tactic!

You when someone says some criticism against Israel is incorrect: NAZI!!!

1. Sorry, a bit out of the loop, what Epstein regime media?
2. Yes, the current Israeli government is very much anti Israeli civilians (much like the current US government is anti US civilians, cough-ICE-cough).
3. Aljazeera stated Iran’s cluster warheads “disperse munitions over a wide area and are particularly dangerous for civilians”. It fits with other sources I read and have no reason to doubt that.
4. To answer your question - yes.

I back up the nuclear weapons claim with a reputable source, and never said Israel attacked Iran in self defense (What I said was it’s reasonable for Israelis to support a war with Iran without being war junkies)

Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

I’m a bit surprised that on two (or is it three?) separate occasions I said I’d feel the way Palestinians feel towards Israel, and you still insist I think they’re bloodthirsty for no reason.