Do what you can to fight back. Trying to survive is how they want you kept busy. Stop buying consumerist things. Stop shopping at Walmart and target and Amazon. Join community groups. Vote. Attend rallies.
You personally may already do that bit most don’t. Union membership is down globally. Big tech is taking control and hasn’t had a useful product in a generation.
How do you propose we get a significant amount of people to do that? Hell, there’s a lot of places where Walmart might be the only choice, and if there is another choice it’s Dollar General, which is in some ways even worse than Walmart.
I can’t even really afford “consumerist things” (whatever that means, in my house we’re barely treading water with just the essentials at this point.
…but in my country I’m a member of a few human right organisations and I lend some time to local political efforts. It’s not much, but it’s more than most.
I’m not genociding anyone and have no say over what the nut in the Whitehouse does. I find it odd that your username is a King of the Hill character though. Don’t come at me for shit I have no control over.
These “protests” are almost all weekend parades. If the Civil Rights Movement was like this it would’ve ended up a footnote in history. You should look up what MLK and crew actually did to get where they ended up. And of course, the Civil Rights Movement did employ wasn’t as peaceful as the textbooks would have you believe. So I guess what I want to say is: Do what MLK did then you can say you tried.
I don’t, in fact, live in America, but also the problem here is that your democracy has no future unless you do something. The time where this could be resolved without significant personal risk is long past. If you think the risk of regime retaliation is worse than the risk of living under MAGA for the next two decades, then sure, but know that those are the options you’re looking at here.
I don’t think you understand the likelihood of what you want resulting in our deaths. They’ve already killed numerous protesters. I live 1,100 Miles from DC. Hell, the closest real city is a hundred miles from me. I feel like you don’t understand the size and how spread out the country is. You seem to have this idea that we can just flip the do something switch and things magically happen.
You want to believe that you’re just better than us and that it can’t happen in your country, when it has likely already begun.
Around 30-something% of people voted for Harris. The rest voted for pedohitler or didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, you helped pedohitler be where it is.
Nah. Fuck the US government we don’t have control of it. US isn’t a real democracy if it ever was.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions. Frankly if all you’re doing is voting for Harris in this current disaster then you are barely better than a non-voter anyway.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions.
Yes, it does. If your choices are Hitler and someone you disagree with but who’s not Hitler and you don’t vote, you’re saying that both Hitler and the other person are OK for you. So yeah, you are accepting that getting Hitler as president is fine.
Or maybe you fell for disinformation or maybe you just weren’t paying attention or maybe you thought your vote was more impactful boosting a third Party candidate because your state wasn’t going to be close anyway or maybe you couldn’t get off work that day and they closed the polling station near your house so it would have taken 2 hours by bus and you’d have gotten fired.
Lots of reasons people didn’t do the optimal thing around voting. Some of those are more excusable than others but none make you directly responsible for the things Trump and his followers are doing. They are responsible for their own actions. We are responsible for our own. That’s all.
And again, I personally don’t think we will get out of this solely by voting. People need to stop limiting political action solely to making a largely inconsequential mark on a piece of paper.
People really overestimate in how much of the US a person’s vote for president matters. Like 2/3rds of the states aren’t even within reach of a wave election. And the people who could have an impact on the result but stayed home aren’t in a niche politics forum and are really checked out of politics. Like shockingly so. A non-voting acquaintance of mine was going to vote for a conservative nobody because he thought their name sounded cool.
The idea that the 30% non-voters should vote makes sense in a civic ideal sort of way, but they’re not going to show up as secret defenders of liberal democracy. They’re going to be very susceptible to propaganda and those that aren’t are going to vote for Idiocracy-level dumb reasons. Trump’s initial election made big gains from non-voters who are now shocked that he’s doing things he said he’d do.
Trump is America’s great shame. He has harmed people financially all over the world, and he has presided over a dramatic increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the same way todays Australians bear the responsibility for attrocities perpetrated on first nations people before we were born, Americans for generations to come will bear responsibility for Trump.
I think we have an ethical obligation to do what we can to stop him, because there are some levers of power we have access to that can harm his power. Voting is one of them, and I encourage people to do it. Tax resistance, protesting, organizing work, and direct action are even more effective, so arguably between people who solely vote and solely do those things, the voters are not pulling their weight.
But having an ethical responsibility to act and being directly, personally responsible are two different things. You fundamentally can’t blame people for the actions of someone else. That’s not right. No matter what the non-fascists in the US do, the fascists are going to continue trying to do all the horrible things they do. And due to their various illegal and unethical schemes, they’ve rigged the electoral system to give them minority rule.
The only reason people believe stuff like this is because of nationalism. People are indoctrinated to believe that nations are some homogeneous cohesive entity. Nations aren’t real. They’re just artificial collections of individuals only united by the systemic oppression of the state. It’s not much different than gender or racial essentialism. And it’s the same reason Israelis blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th instead of merely the soldiers and leaders who carried it out. This is the logic of collective punishment, and it should be attacked everywhere it appears.
Huh? Have you not been paying even the slightest bit of attention to what people are saying about what’s been happening here? Almost no one likes what is happening. Most people want meaningful change, just look at the amount of socialists getting wins in the past few months. We aren’t rioting, sure. But we are trying, we are making noise and making progress.
I see all the hope put in the socialists. I do hope they get enough power to change things.
Because otherwise, arguing on who votes for whom is almost a moot point:
Any action you could possibly suggest that could make a major immediate impact would be illegal and would be cracked down upon harshly. People have been protesting the whole time but they’re either ignored or quashed, and it’ll only get worse thanks to the massive AI surveillance state that the parasites get wet dreams about. We can only hope the actions we take will move the needle at some point, but there is an immense force holding up israel.
yup, you americans voted for this, and after two years of theft, bribery and wanton destruction? you still do nothing.
The fuck do you expect us to do? Most of us are one missed paycheck away from homelessness.
Do what you can to fight back. Trying to survive is how they want you kept busy. Stop buying consumerist things. Stop shopping at Walmart and target and Amazon. Join community groups. Vote. Attend rallies.
You personally may already do that bit most don’t. Union membership is down globally. Big tech is taking control and hasn’t had a useful product in a generation.
How do you propose we get a significant amount of people to do that? Hell, there’s a lot of places where Walmart might be the only choice, and if there is another choice it’s Dollar General, which is in some ways even worse than Walmart.
I can’t even really afford “consumerist things” (whatever that means, in my house we’re barely treading water with just the essentials at this point.
What have you tried so far?
What have you tried so far?
Not my country.
…but in my country I’m a member of a few human right organisations and I lend some time to local political efforts. It’s not much, but it’s more than most.
There have been protests all over the country all summer.
if you mean No Kings . . . no, those are parades.
You’re a moron.
sure thing. Make sure you don’t block traffic!
Make sure to pull your head out of your ass.
Oh, it’s not there, it’s between your mom’s thighs
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Yes, I’ve been to some. Why do you care?
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I’m not genociding anyone and have no say over what the nut in the Whitehouse does. I find it odd that your username is a King of the Hill character though. Don’t come at me for shit I have no control over.
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Something tells me the people who participated in the Civil Rights Movement weren’t exactly swimming in money either.
Protests have been going on non-stop since day one of the administration.
These “protests” are almost all weekend parades. If the Civil Rights Movement was like this it would’ve ended up a footnote in history. You should look up what MLK and crew actually did to get where they ended up. And of course, the Civil Rights Movement did employ wasn’t as peaceful as the textbooks would have you believe. So I guess what I want to say is: Do what MLK did then you can say you tried.
Yes, let’s riot under an administration that’s itching to call for nation wide marshal law.
You don’t live here, do you? If that’s the case, then I forgive your ignorance on the situation we’re in. Otherwise, what are you doing?
I don’t, in fact, live in America, but also the problem here is that your democracy has no future unless you do something. The time where this could be resolved without significant personal risk is long past. If you think the risk of regime retaliation is worse than the risk of living under MAGA for the next two decades, then sure, but know that those are the options you’re looking at here.
I don’t think you understand the likelihood of what you want resulting in our deaths. They’ve already killed numerous protesters. I live 1,100 Miles from DC. Hell, the closest real city is a hundred miles from me. I feel like you don’t understand the size and how spread out the country is. You seem to have this idea that we can just flip the do something switch and things magically happen.
You want to believe that you’re just better than us and that it can’t happen in your country, when it has likely already begun.
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So you’re choosing option 2. In that case better look up how to avoid being disappeared by an authoritarian regime.
No, the opposite in fact. My country is already by an authoritarian regime, and it’s seriously not a fun experience.
Fash put people in cages for 30 years just for having zines.
Let’s be clear about what we’re dealing with.
Most Americans did not vote for this.
Around 30-something% of people voted for Harris. The rest voted for pedohitler or didn’t vote. If you didn’t vote, you helped pedohitler be where it is.
Nah. Fuck the US government we don’t have control of it. US isn’t a real democracy if it ever was.
I mean I agree people should vote and do more to stop fascism but failing to do so doesn’t make you responsible for other people’s actions. Frankly if all you’re doing is voting for Harris in this current disaster then you are barely better than a non-voter anyway.
Yes, it does. If your choices are Hitler and someone you disagree with but who’s not Hitler and you don’t vote, you’re saying that both Hitler and the other person are OK for you. So yeah, you are accepting that getting Hitler as president is fine.
Imagine believing there’s a non-hitler choice in USA. jfc.
The two choices were Hitler. Biden was in the middle of a genocide and then trump came in and continued it.
Or maybe you fell for disinformation or maybe you just weren’t paying attention or maybe you thought your vote was more impactful boosting a third Party candidate because your state wasn’t going to be close anyway or maybe you couldn’t get off work that day and they closed the polling station near your house so it would have taken 2 hours by bus and you’d have gotten fired.
Lots of reasons people didn’t do the optimal thing around voting. Some of those are more excusable than others but none make you directly responsible for the things Trump and his followers are doing. They are responsible for their own actions. We are responsible for our own. That’s all.
And again, I personally don’t think we will get out of this solely by voting. People need to stop limiting political action solely to making a largely inconsequential mark on a piece of paper.
People really overestimate in how much of the US a person’s vote for president matters. Like 2/3rds of the states aren’t even within reach of a wave election. And the people who could have an impact on the result but stayed home aren’t in a niche politics forum and are really checked out of politics. Like shockingly so. A non-voting acquaintance of mine was going to vote for a conservative nobody because he thought their name sounded cool.
The idea that the 30% non-voters should vote makes sense in a civic ideal sort of way, but they’re not going to show up as secret defenders of liberal democracy. They’re going to be very susceptible to propaganda and those that aren’t are going to vote for Idiocracy-level dumb reasons. Trump’s initial election made big gains from non-voters who are now shocked that he’s doing things he said he’d do.
Actually, that’s not really true I’m sorry.
Trump is America’s great shame. He has harmed people financially all over the world, and he has presided over a dramatic increase in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the same way todays Australians bear the responsibility for attrocities perpetrated on first nations people before we were born, Americans for generations to come will bear responsibility for Trump.
I think we have an ethical obligation to do what we can to stop him, because there are some levers of power we have access to that can harm his power. Voting is one of them, and I encourage people to do it. Tax resistance, protesting, organizing work, and direct action are even more effective, so arguably between people who solely vote and solely do those things, the voters are not pulling their weight.
But having an ethical responsibility to act and being directly, personally responsible are two different things. You fundamentally can’t blame people for the actions of someone else. That’s not right. No matter what the non-fascists in the US do, the fascists are going to continue trying to do all the horrible things they do. And due to their various illegal and unethical schemes, they’ve rigged the electoral system to give them minority rule.
The only reason people believe stuff like this is because of nationalism. People are indoctrinated to believe that nations are some homogeneous cohesive entity. Nations aren’t real. They’re just artificial collections of individuals only united by the systemic oppression of the state. It’s not much different than gender or racial essentialism. And it’s the same reason Israelis blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th instead of merely the soldiers and leaders who carried it out. This is the logic of collective punishment, and it should be attacked everywhere it appears.
“If you don’t participate in an evil system, then you’re responsible for it.”
Harris supported sending billions in weapons to Israel and did so. So you voted for this as well.
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Yeah I agree. That’s the biggest problem.
Huh? Have you not been paying even the slightest bit of attention to what people are saying about what’s been happening here? Almost no one likes what is happening. Most people want meaningful change, just look at the amount of socialists getting wins in the past few months. We aren’t rioting, sure. But we are trying, we are making noise and making progress.
I see all the hope put in the socialists. I do hope they get enough power to change things. Because otherwise, arguing on who votes for whom is almost a moot point:
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/
It’s only about choosing between people screwing you politely and with decent manners vs gross and vulgar.
You see what ICE is armed with? No thx man. My state says I shouldn’t even have a firearm and that I should trust the popo.
Even with that, folks are fighting against it (both nonviolently and with arms), and they’re getting tortured and murdered for their resistance
We didn’t vote our way into this and we cannot vote our way out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
Any action you could possibly suggest that could make a major immediate impact would be illegal and would be cracked down upon harshly. People have been protesting the whole time but they’re either ignored or quashed, and it’ll only get worse thanks to the massive AI surveillance state that the parasites get wet dreams about. We can only hope the actions we take will move the needle at some point, but there is an immense force holding up israel.
get a rifle, or get out is the long and short of it
To be fair to USians, their voting and ejection system is total crap.
It wasn’t just 2 years. Both major parties support funding this genocidal state.
Americans voted for genocide since the creation of israel
America was basically founded on genocide.
Basically?