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“These unprecedented tactics – which even the former top lawyer of the Department of Homeland Security in the first Trump administration has characterized as embarrassing, lawless and cruel – have now resulted in the fatal shootings of two U.S. citizens,” the Obamas said.
The Obamas accused the Trump administration of “escalating” the tension in Minneapolis by offering the public explanations of the shootings of Pretti and Renee Good “that aren’t informed by any serious investigation – and that appear to be directly contradicted by video evidence.”
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One of my earliest wake up calls was when a certain president didn’t outright dismantle the Patriot Act, allowing illegal privacy invasion policies on American citizens to continue and have now made the life of ICE officers a lot easier.
I wonder who that president was…
Yes Obama was part of the problem too. Refusing to acknowledge the surveillance and rights to authorities as soon as they claimed terrorism were way beyond what’s healthy for a democracy. Unfortunately Obama too was very “American” in that regard.
when a certain president didn’t outright dismantle the Patriot Act
because presidents and not congress do that? cool willful ignorance of government roles & powers.
@lemmy.ml
of course
Obama could have vetoed the PATRIOT extension act, and yet he signed it in 2010, and then again 2011, and then in 2015 he signed the USA Freedom Act, which replaced mass surveillance with “targeted surveillance”. And I’m no law expert, but in my view with the current federal government “targeted” does not seem to mean very much with respect to actions by the US government toward its citizens.
So instead of doing something about it you’re going for whataboutism, we’ll done, whatever makes you feel better about your inaction.
Firstly, may I remind you that you are online? If you are going to criticize someone for inaction, maybe you should stop wasting time bishing and complaining cuz someone made a comment you didn’t like on a social media feed, go outside, and take your own advice.
Secondly, pointing out hypocricy, especially as that hypocrisy relates to a person in power, and especially when said person in power is a former president of the US, is a far cry from whataboutism.
I can draw a straight line from the Patriot Act to the privacy invading tools ICE and other Federal Agencies use today, and while Obama didn’t draft nor sign into law the Patriot Act, he did fuck all to end it. Heck, he extended provisions of that horrendous act in 2012.
So nah, I’m not about to forget that there’s plenty of blame to go around when it comes to Obama. And yeah, I’m gonna shout that shit into this void. Thanks for reading.
You don’t need to worry about me I spend plenty of time outside and petitioning my government.
I’m just sad to see the top comment on this thread focusing on the guy who left office 9 years ago, rather than the one inciting murders on the streets of MN.
Fair enough, but it’s not an either or situation here. People can criticize both Trump and Obama. Just because Obama is saying the right things now doesn’t mean he’s not a hypocrite, and I’ll be damned if we all just willingly forget exactly who made some of the bad decisions that got us to where we are today.
Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, and yeah, Fuck Obama. Not equally, but yeah, fuck’em.
EDIT: removal of pronoun
I swear to God, “whataboutism” just means, “You stated a fact I don’t like.” Of course it’s relevant that the guy criticizing ICE was someone who could’ve actually done something about them and chose not to. What a load of bull.
Yeah actually you have a point here, I’ve been in this thread so long I forgot it was Obama who was being quoted on the post.
I do maintain that in the list of people responsible for what is currently happening and we should be really mad at today… Trump is way out ahead and Obama is behind about a million assholes who are actively involved in propping up the Trump presidency.
There have been sooo many wake up calls. The alarm has been blaring for a decade, and most people keep hitting snooze. The bus is long gone, and you’ve missed so many days, you’re going to be expelled. Final exams are today. Try not to show up in your underpants.
No one really cares until the victims look like them. Now that it’s 2 white people it’s the time to care
People still don’t care. Jack shit is being done about any of this.
There’s a general strike, but we gotta get the billionaires scared (or get rid of them) if we want change.
You’re right, and that’s fucking disgusting.
I’ll take it, though. It’s better than never.
I’d argue in this situation waking up yesterday would be a lot better than waking up today, but also better next week then next year. The more people get awake the bigger the critical mass needed to turn this shit around.
it’s a wake up call the same way your alarm is a wake up call two hours after it initially went off and you’ve been hitting snooze every five minutes
The US is the epitome of the idea that if you have an appointment 45min away at 8:45 and it’s 8:40 if you just pretend to be in a hurry you might make it on time. You will not be calling ahead to tell anyone where you are because you’re “on the way” and obviously you’re still stopping for a little coffee because you’ve had a stressful morning.
The alarm has been getting louder and louder for decades. You fucking traitorous liberals ignored hundreds of wake-up calls. This was only one of the latest.
We just kept funding it. We still do. We are the ones that keep giving it the ability to manifest. That’s the craziest part.
When Obama took over, I was warning everyone that if he didn’t punish the crimes and malfeasance of the Bush Administration, the next Republican would be worse, and we ended up with Trump.
Then Biden proved he didn’t learn ANYTHING from his years as VP, and let Trump get back up AGAIN!
We cannot let our elected representatives fail us again. We must force them to act decisively, and purge MAGA from our government and society, and harshly punish the MAGA traitors for their CRIMES, which are many.
The woman holding the camera closest to the murder, she has the biggest courage I’ve ever seen in my life.
You saw the others how they go blurry when the horror started.
That lady is just incredible… I hope good things happen to her for allowing us all to see what this government is all about.
We heard things, we knew and assumed things but now we know. This is proof beyond any doubt that we are all just getting murdered.
Start shooting ice agents
One of ours. All of theirs.
There’s a lot fewer ICE agents than there are American workers. They’re just starting with the dayworkers, cleaners, and nurses because its more palatable for the white right-wing. Next, they’ll come for other groups of dark Americans.
This always was and always will be a class war. No war but the class war.
They called it a “tragedy” too.
Its not a “tragedy”, its a massive crime and a coverup.They can afford to not be a part of it. They aren’t like us or actually on the same team in the grand scheme of the human story.
Lmao the wake up call called in 2016 when you guys gave nuclear launch codes to a reality tv star. Now it’s a wake up fire and it’s blocking all of the emergecy exits.
The only good thing that can happen now is that something better will rises out of the ashes.
The wake up call was the patriot act.
I’m sure there was one before that too.
I just hope people are starting to realize it’s always been bullshit and it’s not something new.
asshole’s been asleep
You can’t sit for too long, you need to get up and move every once and awhile. Nothing’s worth than pins and needles.
Phone’s been ringing off the hook since 2016
The Obamas seem far more interested in producing movies than they are saving America, so, piss off
Wake-up call for who?
The people who already knew and voted against Trump? Or the people who voted for him, and also knew he is a fascist sociopath? Or the people who don’t care?There is no way this should be a wake-up call for anybody. This was to be expected. We knew already before his inauguration that he would destroy democracy and put USA at the very least to the brink of civil war doing it.
How is this in any way surprising?
Even the infamously slow moving EU reacted in less than a month to Trump, and began to work on independence from USA.
The world has clearly reacted, but has neither right or power to remove Trump.
The ones that have power to remove Trump are the Americans, and for some reason they don’t.What would you have us do?
I’ve been warning about this since before Trump won the election.
But to be honest IDK what to do at this point, except occupy white house and congress.
It seems more and more like either give Trump his way, or prepare for civil war. 😬
I hope your fellow Americans have better ideas. The time to act was before Trump had everything stacked on his side. But maybe he doesn’t have that quite yet. And some of the services will side with the people if they act now.
But apparently all the services are now ready to do Trumps bidding. And if true, that means that USA is already a dictatorship.Yeah. Agreed. The time to act was when we had the option to vote against tyranny. But too many people felt it necessary to protest shit happening in a country they couldn’t have pointed to on a map months before, and the rest of the clowns felt that “good” was the mortal enemy of perfect. So much so that it seems they’re willing to repeat their mistakes in 2028.
Still, everyone wasn’t to believe there’s a way out of this- and no one wants to hear the truth. And yet- the truth is what drives everyone to do nothing about it.
I guess it’s better to just whine about everything while doing nothing as opposed to calling it out.
the truth is what drives everyone to do nothing about it.
The truth is that if Trump wins, USA is a dictatorship, and Americans have in effect lost a lot of the rights and freedoms they used to take for granted.
I think the truth should make people want to fight for democracy and their rights. The longer people wait, the harder it gets. Because the administration is systematically turning all the agencies into fascist wagging tails of the administration.News flash: trump won.
It looks like it, but he hasn’t quite won yet.
many people felt it necessary to protest shit happening in a country they couldn’t have pointed to on a map months before
“shit happening” huh. You mean that all our candidates were supporting and facilitating a genocide of innocents. Have the stones to say it out loud instead of trivializing it. And you’re right about one thing, if the DNC keep running zionists then I plan to keep letting this place burn to the ground and toasting my marshmallows on the fires. And your 401k ,and posh house, and starbucks, and gay rights, your social security, your career, and civil rights and private schools can all immolate under republican leadership until you war crimes softies wise the eff up and grow a spine. I dont care if you and your friends dont like that or “blame” me. The ire of people who trivialize war crimes means less than nothing to me. And lots of people feel the way I do.
And there it is…. The gENOciDe excuse.
Why don’t you just say that you couldn’t be bothered to do the bare minimum to stand in the way of fascism than to make some bogus excuse so that you sound worldly and ideolistic?
Because we told you the genocide would still happen- and it did.
We told you even MORE people would die- and they did.
We told you ALL of this would happen- and it did.
And you have the fucking nerve to call out entitlements? It must be so nice to pawn other people’s lives to pay for your shitty little pout-n-protest.
Flatly saying NO to a genocide (or “gENOciDe” in your description) done with US taxpayer bought weapons is an “excuse” to you? And then you want to whine about your “entitlements”?
Wow. You sir, are selfish to the point of psychopathy. Let us know when you reconsider that. Until that point keep enjoying the fruits of the DNC being bought out by Israel. I imagine watching our “entitlements” burn to nothing will be motivating. Or maybe not, in which case I guess we let it all burn and rebuild after under a new regime. Either way the dems dont get my vote until they stop fellating whoever pays them. Heck of a system we have on that.
And your saying Harris was going to mean fewer deaths than trump is BS. Her actions dont indicate that at all. She has let Israel do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted to whatever degree they wanted, and that wont change because her campaign is powered by their money. Its like you dont understand how the donor driven pay to play system in the US works. Did you notice that Harris was palling around with republicans and talking about praying and shooting her glock, and resisteing talking about any policy positions? But you think she was going to swing way progressive after the election, totally change her pattern and spontaneously do the right thing after the election. It’s a fiction that’d make a hell of a movie. Of course she’d just keep doing exactly what she’s doing now. You centrists always like to pretend toward vague progressivism during elections and then afterwards you talk about how no promises were ever made and you fire all the progressives from your campaign on day 1 after the election. If you are so sure of what she’d do, why cant you point to any compelling evidence except for your personal rosey best case interpretation or her vaguely given words?
In fairness I should probably tell you that I didn’t read past the first paragraph of that because at this point, I have absolutely no reason to take you seriously. The ad hominy attacks show you are not mature enough to discuss such nuanced topic. Also…
You illustrated my point perfectly and I honestly don’t think you could possible do a better job should this conversation continue.
This is such a tired response at this point. If you really have no idea, go take a nap. Your country is better off without your help. When Americans do finally act, they’re not going to want you underfoot asking for directions.
But let’s be real- you already know full well.
What you’re really asking is “what would you have us do that requires very little work and doesn’t put me at any risk?”
Tired of not being able to answer a simple question? Yeah. I would be too if I kept trying to suggest people send themselves off to be slaughtered.
Voting against Trump wasnt the solution, he’s a cog in the machine. Replace the cog and the machine still functions the same. Opposing and fighting the entire system will be the only way to create a difference.
Best case scenario would be that the people demand a better democracy. But I doubt they will, because Americans are indoctrinated to think they have the best democracy in the world, when in reality it’s a highly dysfunctional democracy. And I suspect only a small percentage of Americans are aware of that.
Obama used drones to murder innocent people. He helped throw the boomerang. Fuck him
But they were brown people.
so, the foreign policy of every president except Carter?
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Dude we’ve been awake for a while now. We’re past that. Now it’s time to arm yourself for self-defense purposes.
