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22 hours agoGod’s interests are confined to the ocular, he doesn’t do lungs.
OBJECTION!
If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
Evidence or GTFO.
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If a countries economy outgrows the debt the debt shrinks and results are positive.
Yes, this is why it’s worthwhile for the government to take on debt to invest in the economy. If the government, say, builds a state-run grocery store, that store will grow the economy, potentially at a fast enough rate to offset the interest on the debt. This creates a “virtuous cycle” where taxes generate social spending, which generates economic growth, which generates more tax revenue.
I understand that completely.
This does not mean that there’s no problem with the government wracking up massive debt by, rather than building grocery stores or things like that, by throwing a bunch of money into a giant hole in the ground and setting it on fire. Which is exactly what military spending is. Spending a trillion dollars a year to build absurdly expensive bombs to drop on random Middle Easterners for no reason and to accomplish nothing adds as much to the economy as paying people to dig a ditch and then fill it back in. It is a complete waste of money, or, more accurately, it is a process of transferring public funds into the private hands of the military industrial complex (where plenty of politicians coincidentally own shares). The massive debt that we’ve accumulated through this wasteful, corrupt spending has not been the result of investing in a virtuous cycle. Yes, there is some economic stimulation from paying people to make bombs but it is much, much less than we would get from paying people to build trains or stores or really anything that actually provides a lasting benefit.
I understand that it’s not. But I also understand that the government is currently paying a trillion dollars every year just on interest. And that countries are reconsidering the dollar as a stable reserve currency.
National debt isn’t the same thing as other kinds of debt but you can only go “money printer go brrr” for so long before consequences start to show up.
They didn’t want to pay for an overpriced subscription service to “elite” soldiers who didn’t know the land or understand the style of warfare. Plus, they didn’t want to abide by treaties that would stop them from aggressively expanding and killing natives just because they couldn’t afford that subscription service. So they clicked “unsubscribe” but you know how hard it is to unsubscribe from these things.
The whole thing is very ironic though, because after Britain wracked up massive war debts fighting over a colonial border squabble and then lost all the colonies trying to pay those debts, France wracked up massive war debts supporting the colonists, with the aim of weakening the British, and trying to raise taxes to pay those debts is how the king got his head chopped off.
Also, the US today is $40 trillion in debt. If you look at the last 25 years or so and add up all the money spent on the military, waging expensive forever wars halfway around the globe, you get pretty close to that number. So the US has figured out how to wage war without paying for it through taxes and there will certainly be zero negative consequences to doing that indefinitely and borrowing more to pay war debts.
23·2 days agoMarx failed to consider that one day Jim Cramer would agree with him.
I’ve thought about this a lot and if it were up to me, I wouldn’t harm a hair on his head. I’d simply extradite him to Afghanistan and let them decide what to do with him. They deserve first dibs, plus it’s deliciously ironic considering how Bush skirted torture laws by extraditing prisoners to be tortured in other countries.
Batman isn’t real either, and has had different interpretations over the years, but all Batman fans are fans of the same character regardless of which version of Batman they prefer.
Iran is a country where the spice doesn’t flow to us. We are bombing them, not for any human rights issues, but for their oil.
That’s the whole point of TNR, to draw moral lines past a bunch of horrible shit, thereby normalizing it and presenting it as acceptable, even as they appear to be critical. A perfect example of controlled opposition.
We don’t bomb countries for doing such things, or we’d be bombing Saudi Arabia and Israel. We give military support to countries that do such things, so long as the spice flows, and we bomb countries where the spice doesn’t flow, even if they don’t do those sorts of things.
171·4 days agoPeople place too much emphasis on Hitler’s oratory skills because the idea of one guy hypnotizing everybody with speeches is a simple and appealing narrative. You can find his speeches on Youtube and they’re mostly just angry shouting, maybe it’s just that norms have shifted in response to him but it really doesn’t seem like anything special.
To understand the real story you have to understand the broader history at the time. I started writing this comment and it just grew and grew so I apologise for the length.
Socialism in Europe
In the early 20th century, socialism was growing in popularity and labor movements were becoming more organized. Marx had predicted a simultaneous, worldwide revolution, with the working class uniting across every nation. During the Russian Revolution, countries across Europe sent troops to stop it but failed, and there was a fear that the USSR would sweep across Europe with the support of socialists in each country.
The reality was that there were major differences between the social democrats in Germany, France, and Britain compared to the Marxist-Leninist USSR, one major point of contention being WWI. Lenin argued for “revolutionary defeatism” where socialists would openly call for the defeat of their own governments and take advantage of the state’s difficulties to overthrow it. Social democrats believed in gradually reforming the system and working within it, which included not making serious waves over the war, and only really criticizing it on principle, in the abstract.
In Germany, the SDP voted in favor of selling war bonds at the start of the war, indicating their willingness to go along with it. However, towards the end of the war, once it was clear that Germany would be defeated, a revolution occurred.
The German Revolution and The Spartacist Uprising
In 1918, sailors at Kiel saw the writing on the wall and mutinied, defying orders to deploy against the British navy. This happened organically, without leadership or a clear political agenda beyond being unwilling to keep fighting. But it would soon become clear that the reich had fallen and that the war was lost.
Two factions emerged that tried to steer things in different directions. One was the social democratic SDP, and the other was the communist Spartacist League, later the KPD. The Spartacists wanted to enact radical reforms and to set up a council republic similar to the Soviet system, while the SDP wanted a parliamentary system. The SDP won, and executed the Spartacist leadership, which led to an irreparable rift with the KPD.
In order to form a governing coalition in the new parliamentary system, without any chance of working with the KPD, the SDP had no choice but to ally with center-right parties. And because they had no choice, that meant the center-right parties held all the cards.
The Weimar Republic
Having lost the war, the new government had no choice but to accept the harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles, which included ceding territory, war reparations, and demilitarization. But there was roughly a decade, the 1920’s, when they were able to rebuild, recover, and make some social progress. The German film industry in particular thrived, with films like Nosferatu (1922) and Metropolis (1927) establishing Germany as the cultural center of this new medium (which would last until Hitler destroyed it, leading many talented filmmakers to flee to the US and lend their talents to Hollywood).
But then the Great Depression hit. People all around the world were struggling, and the war reparations placed an additional strain on the Germany economy. To make matters worse, the governing coalition of the SDP and center-right parties enacted austerity measures, aimed at balancing the budget instead of economy recovery, and the reduced revenues meant cutting social spending at the time it was most needed. Unemployment skyrocketed. People were desperate, and furious at the government, labelling Chancellor Brüning “The Hunger Chancellor,” and the SDP lost credibility by association.
People wanted change, and the wanted an explanation for how things went wrong.
The Stabbed-in-the-Back Myth
Enter, the Nazis. The Nazis provided a simple explanation for where things went wrong. Things went wrong when Germany was defeated. Germany was defeated, because the socialists had turned traitor and betrayed it.
There were bits and pieces of truth in that narrative. Lenin had called for socialists to do that, as he did in Russia, but few in Germany had really listened to him. The SDP had fully supported the war, which caused Lenin to fiercely denounce them. There was eventually a revolution, but by the time it occurred it was already clear Germany was defeated. In that revolution, the faction that was more aligned with Lenin’s ideas had been crushed.
But, by lumping both factions together in “the left,” and ignoring any facts that didn’t fit, they were able to weave together people’s frustration with the current government with their fears and animosity towards the communists into a simple narrative that played on people’s patriotism and the pain of having been defeated.
Then, they took it a step further. Because it was somewhat hard to ignore some of these inconsistencies and the fact that the two factions on the left hated each other’s guts. But what if the connection was that they were both being manipulated into betraying Germany, on behalf of a sinister force behind the scenes?
Antisemitism and Nazi race theory
In mideval times, it often happened that kings wracked up tons of debt, often on pointless military adventures, and when the debts couldn’t be paid, they simply blamed it on the Jews, which also conveniently let them seize their assets when they expelled them from the country (a similar approach to what the Nazis did). There was a lot of preexisting racial prejudice and stereotypes, going back centuries if not millenia. Framing things in racial terms allowed the Nazis to take advantage of existing stereotypes and prejudices, and also allowed them to present an alternative to the class-based narratives of the left.
Racial equality was a relatively new idea that was not broadly accepted, and the Nazis were able to frame the very idea of equality as another Jewish conspiracy.
How did Jews end up in control of everything if white people are the superior race? In the Nazi view, the ideal is a balance between thought and action, in line with the image of a “self-made millionaire.” Some races, they claimed are inclined towards action, but not thought, and so their “natural place” is to be put to work in service to others. Jews, on the other hand, were too inclined to thought rather than action, they were uninterested in actually building anything and only interested in finding ways to take what others had built. In order to prevent white people from acting against them in a strong, decisive way, they promoted ideologies like communism, which called for racial tolerance and compassion. As the Weimar Republic had made early strides in trans healthcare, this was also called a Jewish conspiracy to weaken and soften white men.
Hitler becomes chancellor
As the economic conditions continued to decline, and as the far right grew stronger and gained more and more seats in parliament, neither the SDP nor the KPD showed any interest in reconciling. The SDP denounced the KPD and the Nazis as being equally bad and undemocratic and the KDP accused the SDP of being “the moderate wing of fascism.” The SDP saw the KDP as a liability that would alienate their other coalition partners, and the KDP did not want to associate themselves with the disasterous austerity policies the SDP’s coalition was enacting. Not only did they oppose each other in parliament, but they even fought each other in the streets, even as the Nazi brownshirts were pushing them both out.
Eventually, the SDP/center-right coalition no longer had enough seats, and nobody was willing to form a coalition with the Nazis or the communists, which triggered a constitutional crisis. Most parliamentary systems have rules and contingencies for if a coalition can’t be formed (in part because of this), but the Weimar system lacked clear rules. Without a majority, the government simply couldn’t govern, and with riots and street-fighting breaking out everywhere, there was a fear of full on revolution.
This finally brings us to the 1932 presidential election, between Adolf Hitler, Paul von Hindenburg (a center-right candidate backed by the SDP), and Ernst Thälmann of the KDP. Hindenburg won, and his chief concern was restoring stability and protecting business interests, and he appointed Hitler chancellor with those goals.
With the ongoing constitutional crisis and unclear rules, Hitler found a legal argument that essentially gave the chancellor dictatorial power. The streets already belonged to the Nazis. When the first concentration camps were built, they were for the communist KPD, and the SDP raised no objections, not realizing that they would follow not long after.
You seem to think this conversation is about whether these countries are better than those countries, but that’s not what we were talking about, at all. I swear, y’all never listen to what we actually say and just fill in our side of the debate with whatever the hypothetical tankie that exists only in your mind said.
I’m not dick-waving about this country is better than that country because it doesn’t influence it’s people. I am simply pointing out that the US government has far more capacity to influence Americans than any other government in the world does. That’s it. Whether other countries also influence their citizens the same way has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what I actually said.
“No one country is innocent of doing or have done this,” yeah and I never said anything to contradict that at all.
“If you think anyone is innocent,” I don’t, but thank you for asking instead of just putting words in my mouth.
How many of those movies has the average American seen? The only one I can think of is Come and See, (and that’s more of an artistic movie about the horrors of war) and I’m aware of the Wolf Warrior movies but I haven’t actually seen them. Otherwise, I don’t think I could even name another, much less be influenced by them, and that’s more than most people could.
Or are you not claiming that Russian and Chinese movies have a comparable influence on Americans as American movies? In that case, it’s just a whataboutism, not relevant to the discussion. We’re talking about who has influence over Americans.
I saw two of your comments in two different threads and they were both dumb as hell, sue me.
Damn, if they can wield that much influence from another country, just imagine how much the US government is capable of shaping people’s views.
There’s plenty of people in the thread saying that.
11·5 days agoThe US is more or less where China was 100 years ago with the Qing dynasty. The corruption, the distrust of foreigners and intellectuals, the failure to recognize their weaknesses, the reformers who didn’t go anywhere near as far as they needed to and still got shot down and treated with suspicion. The reason China isn’t making the same mistakes now is because they suffered so much in the century of humiliation.
Part of the US’s problem is that people have been so isolated from consequences. If we get overextended from too many wars, so what? If we lose a war we just move on to the next thing. If we fall behind on science because we prioritized religion, so what? If we listen to what some influencer on TikTok says about vaccines instead of to scientists, so what? If people storm the capitol building, so what? No matter what happens, everything will just carry on as normal. Everyone’s just fucking around, not even being able to imagine what finding out will look like. And when there are consequences, they’re always framed on an individual level.
If .ml traffic drops, it’s because a Russian data center was hit. If .ml traffic increases, it’s because an election is coming up. When .ml users post on our own comms, it’s because we’re in an echo chamber and can’t handle other perspectives. When we post on other instances, it’s because we’re brigading.
Anticommunism is a non-falsifiable orthodoxy that is capable of transforming any data point into hostile evidence.
The feud started when they killed Rosa a hundred years ago and we’ve been arguing about it since /s.
But seriously, it is essentially the same, age old disagreement between social democrats and Marxists, which essentially comes down to this. Social democrats are committed to working within existing systems, which means their views have to be compatible with what is allowed in the existing system. Marxists, on the other hand, are committed to international solidarity first and foremost. That means we won’t sell out a group to win an election. Because the ruling class does not want to allow international solidarity to form, they will inevitably force the issue, and limit the scope of acceptable views such that you have to betray foreign members of the working class in order to work within the system.
This is exactly what happened back in WWI. Before that, social democrats had pledged to support international solidarity and to oppose war, but when war broke out, the ruling class of each country put pressure on every party to support the war, and the social democrats fell in line and failed to organize any coordinated, international effort to stop or even oppose the war. Those who tried to, and took a more radical stance, were accused of all the things we’re accused of today: of being Russian spies, of supporting the other side (and thereby being “authoritarian”), of just trying to forment chaos or let the right win, etc, it’s all the same rhetoric just updated to the modern day.
Of course, there are many users on both instances who don’t fit in those respective sides, including people who aren’t really interested in the politics and just wind up caught in the crossfire as people make assumptions based on their instance.