A little maybe, but not much.

I’ve seen people say they left reddit to join Lemmy because of the toxic users. To each their own, but I personally think Lemmings aren’t much better. Some people over here can’t understand that sensitive questions can be asked without bad intent. People are way too defensive about their opinions.

It is disappointing, but it’s the better option.

  • alexquiniou@lemmy.zipEnglish
    20·
    3 days ago

    Not true for me.

    I made a joke, and someone got upset. I explained that I didn’t mean it seriously and apologized. Then they told me they were in a bad mood and apologized for their reaction.

  • Hanrahan@slrpnk.netEnglish
    331·
    3 days ago

    ffs, Lemmy’s strength is in it’s decentralised non corpo design, not that we users are a better quality of human. It went from Usenet, to the centralised shitiness of Reddit back to a decentralised system in Lemmy/Piefed more akin to Usenet

    but, I’d also argue just by being here you’re a better person.

  • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
    56·
    4 days ago

    Reddit has a perverse incentive to keep the user base frothing for engagement

    There is no such incentive on Lemmy. We are toxic because we choose to be. All natural, free range, grassroots haters

    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      71·
      4 days ago

      The bots are showing up heavy in the last few days. It annoys me greatly since it dilutes the quality posts in my feed that generate discussion. It’s a bunch of shitty memes and cartoons and it’s awful.

      Good thing we can just block it and get our feed back.

    • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      338·
      4 days ago

      lemmy world that you are on is full of influence agents, many of which are bots/chatbots, I noticed them pumping up support for the Iran war.

      • Hamartia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        255·
        4 days ago

        There’s a dozen or so that post constant propaganda against countries that don’t conform to US interests. Their approach is so similar that it’s hard to believe there isn’t something that links the accounts.

        This type of behaviour is discoverable. There are probably much more subtle campaigns ongoing too. I’m undecided as to whether it is just the efforts of some ‘centrist’ zealots or there are some actual spooks in here.

        • amio@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          4 days ago

          There’s also a certain type of person that just… posts that shit. I’m not saying they’re bots or not bots or any damn thing, because there’s tons of bot spam anyway, but I think you’re underestimating how intensely shit some people’s meme game is

          • fireweed@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            4 days ago

            I feel like the “hilarious chaos” instance was (is? iirc .world defederated from them so idk if they’re still around) like that. They were already starting from behind with such a try-hard name, and then most of their posts were Facebook-level crap. I ran into them a lot browsing all top-hour, and my impression was that the posters were trying but had a… less refined palate than the average Lemmy user.

        • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          102·
          4 days ago

          It’s both. The government pays for this type of thing. It’s not just me that noticed it either. With chatbots it’s never been cheaper to run these either, and apparently they do bother with little old lemmy, although it’s nothing like reddit which is owned by them and corporate influence ops.

        • Tonava@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          43·
          4 days ago

          Oh don’t forget the tankies pushing russian (and chinese) propaganda. I can never tell are they bots or useful idiots, but I always know when I hit the nail in the head when I criticize russian propaganda and get a lot of downvotes

    • Karl@literature.cafeOPEnglish
      32·
      4 days ago

      Yea, I’m grateful for that. But the humans are pretty awful too sometimes.

      I just blocked one of those right in this post. Idk if you can see his comment anymore. His username was something like fisting lover.

    • Gladaed@feddit.orgEnglish
      67·
      4 days ago

      While reddit does have a not problem there are loads of people, people who LARP being some minority, and people posting thinly veiled fetish content on e.g. AITA. But bots certainly make up a higher percentage over there.

      Here we got tankies, blind hate for anything done by america and lack of nuance. But the latter is just common.

  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    13·
    3 days ago

    Excellent unpopular opinion that I disagree with! Good post for here :3

    On Reddit, I was CONSTANTLY annoyed in every thread.

    Award edits: annoying.

    Talking about awards and upvotes: annoying.

    Spamming subreddits as hashtags: annoying. Rehashing the same phrase/joke over and over again: annoying.

    Fake stories in all top subreddits in /all/ used as creative writing before LLMs made even being CREATIVE obsolete yet the site was clogged with bullshit and hundreds (if not thousands) of people responding as if the stories are real: annoying.

    (More recently, as of when I left Reddit when the API change was made) Majority of people bots or astroturfers/shills/etc: annoying.

    I constantly was shitting in comments and people on Reddit because so many comments were just… so… horribly… stupid! Asinine! Coming from a history of communities of folks that, while being overtly overwhelmingly dumb/offensive, were at least original or creative (IRC/Usenet/LUE/SA/b/specific forums) in their commenting and posts, near the end of Reddit’s life I felt like I had to dig through more oceans of shit to find a tiny gold nugget than I did when I was heavy into /b/ in the early-to-mid 2000s.

    I find that Lemmy threads have an expectantly smaller quantity of idiots, rehashed ‘clever’ one-liners in every thread, ‘creative’ writing that isn’t creative in the slightest, and overall garbage commenters. Better shitposters, more furries, better grammar, and more organic stuff overall.

    That’s my opinion, anyway. Your post has a lot of downvotes for a “popular” “unpopular opinion” post here which tells me you’ve posted a good one hahaha. I do agree with some of what you’ve said—I’d like some places I can post and read some more crunchy-ass shit. Not stuff like being racist “as a joke”, but with the way the fediverse is, I’d like some NSFL stuff and places where people can be free to be more crude or whatnot. Lemmy is very “safe”, which is healthy for a lot of folks. Overall though, I’ll take “safe” over “enragingly annoying everywhere” hahaha

  • crypt0cler1c@infosec.pubEnglish
    17·
    3 days ago

    The userbase is largely overlapping as most Lemmy users are current or former Reddit users. The difference is largely in the communities and moderation, not users…

  • Iconoclast@feddit.ukEnglish
    996·
    4 days ago

    I don’t know why one would expect Lemmy to be different when it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.

    I don’t think there’s much difference between platforms. Everyone is performing to either get pats on the back or to stirr up something. The moment everyone around you seems nice is when you’ve entered the echo chamber.

    • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      20·
      4 days ago

      it can be if you’re using your block list effectively. There’s a bubble of really chill people that have seperated themselves off from all the debate lords and with a platform this small you’ll find them pretty easy.

      Just block any 3 instances of your choice, 20 of the most active accounts that specifically annoy you, and maybe all the porn comms (it’s mid anyway). You’ll be left with a feed that’s to your liking and nice comment sections

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      4 days ago

      Because people who decide to leave something shitty are predisposed to wanting something better?

    • JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.socialEnglish
      11·
      4 days ago

      it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.

      I don’t know that there’s any decisive proof of that. There’s no reason people haven’t come from other social networks as well.

  • neutronbumblebee@mander.xyzEnglish
    761·
    4 days ago

    I accidentally posted a link to some right wing borderline racist article which sounded sensible on first skim reading it. Commentators noted this. I apologized for not reading it carefully or noticing the other associated articles and the other Lemmy users were understanding. Just my experience but I think a nicer atmosphere prevails.

  • FortyTwo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    191·
    4 days ago

    I don’t use Lemmy much anymore nowadays because of this. While it’s important an alternative to Reddit exists, so I try to support it, it ironically feels more like a hivemind than Reddit does (ironic because you’d expect the opposite for federated services). I think it’s because switching to Lemmy from Reddit requires either idealism or a Reddit ban, both of which disproportionately attract people who feel good when they verbally attack internet strangers for disagreeing with them on 1% of the implicitly agreed upon joint viewpoints. It also strangely reminds me of the feeling I got being part of an old gaming community that was slowly dying out, where eventually only the unpleasant ones who defined their identity based on it were left.

    I’m always happy to see there are also people here who dislike this attitude, though, or even to see neutral posts. There is still hope!

  • jrs100000@lemmy.worldEnglish
    702·
    4 days ago

    I dont know. Not that Lemmy users are necessarily great all the time, but Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.

    • Karl@literature.cafeOPEnglish
      193·
      4 days ago

      Yeah, my feed was pretty awful when I left reddit. Too many reposts.

      Lemmy is better on that aspect.

      But I feel that it should be possible for me to ask questions I couldn’t ask anywhere else without people jumping on me with their accusations

      • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        121·
        4 days ago

        Like what question do people jump on you for on lemmy here?

        Personally I don’t take that much offense, if someone is rude to me I give it back to them, or ignore them. It’s anonymous online communication so you have to expect getting flak.

        • Karl@literature.cafeOPEnglish
          135·
          4 days ago

          Well, I asked the question : ‘Do you think strict 2 child policy be a thing?’ Mind you, I didn’t even say it should be. The only reason I asked that is because I wonder if it would become necessary in the future. And some guy accused me of wanting to control women and all that.

          • tburkhol@lemmy.worldEnglish
            321·
            4 days ago

            I hope you can see where, in the current political climate, questions like “Should 2-child policy be a thing?” “Should transgenders use the gender assigned at birth?” or “Should immigrants be immediately returned to their country of origin?” might seem disingenuous to the populations affected by those very real policy proposals.

            • chunes@lemmy.worldEnglish
              13·
              4 days ago

              Immediately proving their point with incendiary questions that aren’t really comparable

          • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            111·
            4 days ago

            You asked if people should be forced to live a certain way and were surprised that you got a vitriolic response??? In this political climate??? Maybe know your audience a little better.

            • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
              54·
              4 days ago

              In this political climate???

              I was online a decade before “Eternal September” started and having to check the “political climate” before making a post wasn’t a thing until sometime in the last 8 years or so.

              This kind gatekeeping has had horrible consequences for the culture of the internet.

              • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                121·
                4 days ago

                I grew up with lesbian parents in the south in the 90s. Checking the political climate is all I have ever done my entire life, internet or not. I don’t agree that there has ever been a time when that wasn’t a requirement online or offline.

                Like for real? Obama’s tan suit happened 12 years ago and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8? You must have managed to avoid pretty much all social media before Facebook, which is weird because Eternal September happened in the 90s and came from Usenet which has been political since the 80s.

                • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  22·
                  4 days ago

                  and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8?

                  I didn’t say the internet wasn’t politicized. I said that having to “check the political climate” before making a post, i.e. self censoring, is new(ish). You gonna tell me that you never posted online that having lesbian parents is okay before it became accepted to do so? I’ll bet you did and I’ll bet you did it more than once.

                  This idea that posts running counter to the current cultural / political climate shouldn’t be made is pure horseshit. Usenet was stuffed to the gills with counter culture of all kinds, it was expected and accepted. Yes there were epic flame wars but that’s because people didn’t self censor an unpopular opinion because of the “current political climate”. I was there.

                  Online discourse is a pale shadow of what it once was and I put the blame squarely on the rise of this idea that people should self-censor in order to avoid giving offense. Fuck that and fuck people who believe that’s how it should be.

                  Edit: One Usenet if a user really REALLY couldn’t stomach what another user was spouting then they put 'em in the kill file. That’s what “plonk” meant.

                • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  11·
                  3 days ago

                  Hey that was a good idea. I swung by your house and got a few hugs from your mom. Thanks!

          • teyrnon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            10·
            4 days ago

            Religious people were apeshit about china’s two child policy. They hated it. I don’t doubt you got some flak bringing it up, but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do, which may be where more of these people are coming from.

            One thing is certain, there is zero chance of it happening in the US anytime soon, because of the religious people.

            • Buelldozer@lemmy.todayEnglish
              6·
              4 days ago

              but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do…

              There’s a strong segment of Lemmy, perhaps even a majority, who have absolutely no problem with a government telling people what they can and can’t do. The only thing these people disagree on is the details.

          • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
            3·
            4 days ago

            Given the decline in birth rates, I don’t know why you’d think it’d be necessary tbh.

          • Chee_Koala@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            4 days ago

            You should check out one or two talks by Hans Rosling, the Scandinavian statistics prof/king. Very interesting correlations between quality of life/healthcare and family size, and he makes the info digestible for a wide audience.

            Also, I would advise you generously block anyone who proves to you that they are not interested in discussing, but only in… let’s say shouting.

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        those reposts are by AI bots, or spammers looking to warm up thier accounts. i see alot of people complain on those subs, but it usually fall on deaf ears most of the time, by mods, and certainly admins dont do anything about it, because its more advertisement potential for them. but they are quick to target accounts that arnt benefiting them.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      4·
      4 days ago

      reddits is dead internet theory come true, mostly run by propaganda bots(russia, israel, and PALINTIR). OF spammers, link/url.ad spammers. FACEBOOK is what reddit will become eventually.

    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      101·
      4 days ago

      I sometimes go to it on a computer with shitty privacy settings. It’s terrible now. There is no quality content and it seems state-owned. After not using it for a while I was shocked by how bad it got since I left.

    • JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.socialEnglish
      13·
      4 days ago

      Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.

      That is certainly not the case for a well-curated personal feed.

      My feeling is that if your feed is shitty, you can look in the mirror at the one who curated it.