Democratic socialism good
Communism bad
(Dropping this here just to see what happens)
Ew. Commie scum.
Your owners would jump at the chance to kill you if it meant they got a single cent added to their lovecraftian piles of wealth.
Sorry, I’m taken. 😝
“I sell propane and propane accessories”
Here’s my panties, tell me more
“You want to taste the meat, not the heat”
Fucking right I do
“Bite the pillow, I’m going in dry.”
That’s on the other list
For those of you who don’t know, “I love you 3,000” is a quote from Avengers: Endgame. It’s particularly adorable because it’s said by a little girl, and three thousand is probably the largest number she can imagine.
Thank you for providing additional context. I didn’t know that one. But why did she say a number at all?
Is it something to do with “I love you 4ever” “I love you 5ever”?
It’s one upping.
I love you
I love you two
I love you three thousand (that number’s too big, can’t beat that one)
Why? Just a little kid being a kid.
She had said something like “I love you two hundred” to her mom, and her dad was joking with mom about it.
Arachno communism then
Best I can do is Anarcho-Usrsus maritimus…
Edit: wrong one
Ursus maritimus joining class war on a side that wants to usurp means of climate change would be a great addition to 2026
Honestly? With how everything has been panning out so far…it might be the only bright spot we get…
Please no spiders!
Come my little ones, put this traitor in gulag
“Heat from fire, fire from heat.”
I understood that reference
yes ☺️
I will never understand how people casually throw around communist talking points like these were not the talking points of some of the worst, most oppressive regimes ever. And the same people then are very vocally outraged when they hear fascist slogens (rightly so, but why is communist shit cool?).
How many communist countries are currently bombing the shit out of other countries today?
The russia?
Russia has not been socialist since the early 1990s.
Every socialist state that has ever existed has been, contextually, far better than what came before it, and in instances where socialism dissolved, better than what replaced it, for the working classes. Communism is becoming more popular as time goes on, because capitalism continues to decay and make people more and more hopeless:
When the working classes see no future for themselves in capitalism, why wouldn’t people want to implement a system where people, rather than capital, are in control?
I forget what the fallacy is called, but basically just because thing X is associated with Y and Y is bad doesn’t make X bad. If a communist leader killed people, it doesn’t necessarily mean communism is the reason he killed them.
In the same vain saying fascism is bad “because Hitler was a fascist” would also be a logical fallacy. Hitler also drank water but that doesn’t mean water is bad.
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That’s not a very good example, because good and bad people drink water, pretty much everyone does. Here is a list of communist states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states_(communism)
I’d say that all of these sucked to live in. There are definitely states that treat their citizens better than these. If something always leads to death and suffering, maybe we can conclude that it’s a bad idea. Communists are not “associated with“ communism, they are communism.
As I said elsewhere:
Every socialist state that has ever existed has been, contextually, far better than what came before it, and in instances where socialism dissolved, better than what replaced it, for the working classes.
This is true for all of these. What’s also important is analyzing context, life expectancy doubled in both Russia and China thanks to the lives saved by socialism. Cuba has, in many years, a higher life expectancy than the US Empire. On the whole, there may be states where quality of life is higher for the working classes, but these are exclusively imperialist states that subsidize their safety nets with the spoils of plundering the global south, and is why these same countries are surging to the far-right as imperialism is decaying.
Edit: replied to the wrong comment lmao
I’d say that all of these sucked to live in
And you’d be wrong to say so. Polls in most post-communist states (except some exceptionally right wing nationalist regimes such as the Baltics or Poland) clearly tell us that most people preferred living under socialism.
When talking about the effects of socialism, we need to compare with what came before or after. And what came after was horrifying:
Lmao @ the reply to me, obliterated me
Gommunist DESTROYED by FACTS and @
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Ahem. I wonder if non-communist states are any different, or it’s just that birth rates dipped before/during a World War, and they were all climbing back up until ~the '80s?
Non-socialist states did not have that same severe drop right as socialism was dissolved.
Would be an interesting thing to sed. My graphs are Wikipedia screenshots from the “Demographics of X” for each country mentioned. Would you post some from, say, Spain, France, Germany, Italy, US…?
Sorry, the last time I was commenting from the toilet. I’ve done some looking up:
France:
Spain:
Germany:
Italy:
I mean, I know that 5 countries isn’t considered reliable statistics, I guess, but most of them are also on the rise in the given time period. Italy and a few other countries seemingly had a dip.
Ok there is too much crazy stuff there for me to take you seriously. If you’re a person and this is your genuine position, that makes me sad. People learn nothing from history.
I hold the positions I do because I learn from history. Here are some sources on what you call “crazy:”
Life expectancy from birth, Russia
Life expectancy from birth, China
Death rate and birth rate in Russia, before, during, and after socialism
Wealth inequality in Russia, before, during, and after socialism
US vs. Chinese vs. Cuban life expectancy
Unequal exchange, graphed
The truth is that socialism works remarkably well, and I only came to this position after studying socialism in theory and practice. Same with analyzing the downfall of capitalism and imperialism, and the failures of social democracy in Europe to pivot away from imperialism.
Ffs if birth rates went up in the third reich then people should be thankful for fascism and hitler? Was west germany a poor amd depressing dictatorship and east germany a free and prosperous country, or the other way around? Blocking.
In the case of Germany, Eastern Germany was made to pay war reparations for the incredible damages dealt to the soviet peoples, and the 27 million people they murdered. Western Germany slapped the Nazis on their wrists, and was flooded with western cash. The social safety nets in Eastern Germany were more developed and robust, while the west had more money. West Germany was indeed a dictatorship, and certainly not free and prosperous, though it had money. Eastern Germany was poor, but had much better social care, social progressivism, and more.
Go ahead, block easily verifiable facts and statistics, I’m sure that will end up helping you.
You would do well to read about this ideology you speak of. Those “oppressive” regimes you talk about have brought such brutal repression as tripling life expectancy, raising literacy to 100%, universal healthcare and free education to the highest level, guaranteed jobs and the abolition of homelessness, guaranteed retirement pensions, working rights, and fight against colonialism (including saving Europe from Nazism).
Communist shit is cool because communist ideology is literally the source of all material progress in society, from the 40h working week to the welfare state. Fascism represents the polar opposite, which is the exact reasons why the first thing fascists do is to murder communists (ask Rosa Luxembourg about that).
Not the original commenter, but you seem to know a bit about communism (I’m currently looking into it)
Would you be up for a discussion on communism?
Absolutely! I wouldn’t say I’m super knowledgeable but I’ve had my reading on the theory and history of communism, much more than the average person at least, though not as much as comrades like @[email protected]
Anything you wanna discuss in particular?
How can you equate “seize means of production” and “class warfare” (things in OP) with 40 hour work week (not in OP)? Are Stalin’s and Maos bloody dictatorships that terrorized, tortured and murdered millions, hundreds of millions of people, examples of progress of society? I can list a bunch of countries that are relatively free, and have high rates of literacy and strong worker protections, that are not communist (pretty much any developed democracy since the late 20th century). There is literally no communist country where people are acceptably free and don’t or didn’t want to get out to flee to one of the not communist countries. I hate the “its such a nice ideology just every single fucking time its followers came to power they had to torture and murder their fellow citizens to stay there”. You know, “seize means of production” in practice means that the government, or people who have friends in the government, go and take away other peoples shit: farmers, small businesses, house, a pig, anything they want, and all they need to do is call the victim a bourgeois or capitalist. This is how it worked in practice in every socialist/communist country that ever existed, lmk if you have a good counter example. And guess what: people get hurt in the process, lives are ruined.
Class warfare. Who the fuck wants to live in a society where everyone is a worker? Economically, a worker means someone who doesn’t own anything other than their future ability to work and earn wages. Every society that looks remotely liveable has a strong middle class: people own real estate, business, investments. These would all be crimes in communism. And now you can explain me that no, that’s not what’s so fucking cool about communism, I still get to keep my house and retirement fund, just have to work less and get more free stuff from the government because the only reason I wasn’t getting those things previously is that they didn’t realize how cool communism is. btw I don’t want to read a bit about the ideology, I was born in a communist country and have a pretty good idea what it was like for people living in that system. Edit: removed an offensive statement.I think you got it the wrong way round.
"Seizing the means of production ", means that every worker is now also an owner and investors into the company he works at. If you like owning and investing, that should sound cool to you.
Democracy should be everywhere in our lives, not only once every 4 years, that’s why democracy at the workplace is important.
The workers wouldn’t get “free stuff from the state” they would get to decide what to do with the surplus value the created with their work. Do we have a bigger payout? Do we invest in more production, more research? All these decisions would be held democratically by the workers AND managers.
Btw did you know, that you are in a class war wether you want it or not? There is one class waging war on you, one class that has class solidarity, and that is the Epstein class, the billionaire class. They steal the value you create any chance that they get. And what do they do with it? Invest it into hospitals? No. In the best case scenario they hoard it. In the worst case scenario they use it to rape and kill.
tortured and murdered millions, hundreds of millions of people
You are making up the numbers, proving your ignorance.
I can list a bunch of countries that are relatively free, and have high rates of literacy and strong worker protections, that are not communist (pretty much any developed democracy since the late 20th century)
And you’re going to ignore the hundreds of millions of people enslaved and murdered by western capitalist colonial regimes, because you dont apply the same standards to socialism that you do to capitalism
There is literally no communist country where people are acceptably free and don’t or didn’t want to get out to flee
Bullshit. The Soviet referendum in 1991 proves otherwise, the vast majority of people in socialism wanted to stay in socialism.
I’ll stop reading because you’re just repeating western anticommunist propaganda and you haven’t made 1% of an effort to actually get informed on the topic. Suffice it to say that if ir weren’t for socialism in Europe, the Nazis would have won.
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
Edit: I see that you were born in a post-Soviet country. You can thank communism for your country to exist as a country and not as a colonized Nazi settlement with you and your family murdered or enslaved :)
That is a super fucked-up thing to say. Go thank Ceausescu for committing genocide in Romania (yea, not soviet, but under USSR’s influence)
What
The
Fuck
I don’t know what part seems cruel to you of explaining that the Nazi project, which the Soviets stopped, included the enslavement of genocide of all non-German peoples between Berlin and the Urals, Romania included (sooner or later). Since you’re Romanian, the Soviets also literally saved you from your own fascist regime. I do not wish harm on you or your family, rather the opposite, I’m thanking the Soviets for saving them.
Go thank Ceausescu for committing genocide in Romania
Literally not a thing, stop manufacturing nonexisting genocides. There was repression under Ceausescu, but there was absolutely no genocide. Can you please link me up to what you’re referring to as “genocide”?
As for what the Ceausescu government did in Romania, per data from the Romanian Statistical Review: Between 1950 and 1989, Romania’s GDP grew by 850%. The country went between 1950 and 1989 from being composed of 86% agricultural workers (essentially a feudalist state), to being an industrialized society with 46% of the population working in the industrial sector. This industrial revolution literally turned a nation of starving peasants into a rather modern and industrialized country with infrastructure, guaranteed housing, free education, universal healthcare and guaranteed jobs with no unemployment.
Look at what happened to the population of Romania after Ceausescu:
4 million in population losses… It’s really no wonder that even after 3+ decades of anticommunist propaganda, the majority of Romanians still view Ceausescu as a good leader and believe that life was better in socialist Romania.
Romania’s GDP grew 550% from 1989 to 2026. See? I can do that do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Romania
By 1989 Romanians were starving. Supermarket shelves were empty. Money meant nothing.
And, hey, where were all the disabled people? Can you find one? You can’t. He put them away, like the nazis. One of the “disabilities” the regime treated in their institutions? Not being white. That’s right. Being part of an ethnic minority was considered a disability. Remind you of a certain Adolf? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1044207311394853
Political opposition? Freedom of speech? None of that. My uncle can attest to that. Oh wait, he can’t. He spoke ill of the regime while in compulsory military training and they “took care” of him. But maybe my grandfather can tell you about his career as a police officer-ohnowait he got canned for not being loyal enough to the regime and had to move his family from the city to a remote village.
Healthcare? Let’s ask my aunt. Oh shit, wait, we can’t. She died at 5 of pneumonia cause there were no doctors in her village and no medication at the hospital.
How about that housing? Did you know people had wood burners in their apartments cause there was no heating? What about the blackouts? Power went out daily for hours.
Industry? Pollution. My parents worked in a coal-burning power plant. Romania’s energy was 47% renewable last year.
Fuck you know. You know nothing. You’re just some propagandist on the internet. My parents lived through it themselves and I live in Romania today. I moved back to it from London. Cause that trend of people emigrating is reversing now thanks to investments from the EU. What you’re seeing there is Romania joining the EU. You see those last few dots there? See how flat that line is? You don’t know shit. Ceausescu’s isolationism has nothing on that.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing. Just cause the soviets fought the nazis doesn’t make them good. They didn’t do it out of the kindness of their hearts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union You may recognize some of those territories as territories Putin is currently trying to regain. I don’t suppose you like him too.
Your arguments are so weak I didn’t even get mad. I’d call it ragebait but it’s not even that. It’s like you got high, listened to a really trashy music album and thought it was the best thing you ever heard. In fact, I resent you for wasting my time, making me type up all this stuff that other people know or don’t need to be told.
EDIT 2: This is how you know the left is better than the right. Even our extremists are higher quality. Theirs are unintelligible. At least ours write full paragraphs instead of ragebait catchphrases
Romania’s GDP grew 550% from 1989 to 2026
So half the growth rate lmao. About 4% yearly during the socialist period and 2% during the capitalist period. Not looking great for your argument, especially when you consider that the distribution of wealth is abysmally worse now and the poor people get fucked while the rich take 90% of the wealth.
By 1989 Romanians were starving. Supermarket shelves were empty. Money meant nothing.
You’re confusing the post-communist inflation period with actual socialism. You know, the point when people lost their jobs, when the industry of the country was dismantled, when the rural infrastructure was left to crumble, and when people had to massively start leaving the country!
And, hey, where were all the disabled people?
That’s good and honest criticism, thanks for bringing it up. I wasn’t aware of the treatment of people with disabilities in socialist Romania, and it’s good that you showed me the article about it. You see, that’s how you do criticism, not by making up nonexistent genocides.
Political opposition? Freedom of speech? None of that
Dude, I live in Spain. There has recently been a plot that destroyed the leftist party Podemos in Spain by cops manufacturing false documents of funding by Venezuela and Iran, and leaking those fake documents to all media, which echoed it incessantly for years until it was proven fake. Before that, we had the GAL, a secret paramilitary corps of the ministry of internal affairs that was murdering pro-independence Basque activists and tossing their corpses in lye to melt the evidence.
My uncle can attest to that. Oh wait, he can’t. He spoke ill of the regime while in compulsory military training and they “took care” of him.
Wow, almost as if that’s the history of countries with a fascist past! My great grandfather got murdered by the reds behind the frontlines on the civil war, and I’m not praising Franco for killing the reds. You know what? Because my great grandfather was fascist scum and he likely deserved it! Romania also has a fascist past, and it was necessary to rid the country of fascist elements.
But maybe my grandfather can tell you about his career as a police officer-ohnowait he got canned
Oh, your grandfather got canned for having a dissenting political opinion in the police, something that totally doesnt happen at all with modern police in Europe aye? Ffs my cousin is a cop and he’s constantly harassed for being a leftist, and communists are systematically purged of public life and employments for the sin of being reds. Get off your high horse and look at the current reality.
Healthcare? Let’s ask my aunt. Oh shit, wait, we can’t. She died at 5 of pneumonia cause there were no doctors in her village
Surely she would have survived her pneumonia if the USSR had allowed the fascists to remain in government in s fucking backwards peasant country, huh? Dude, you’re blaming communism for the lack of medicine in a fucking village in 1970, in a country they industrialized themselves. If it weren’t for the communists, your aunt wouldn’t even have been born because the Nazis would have ethnically cleansed your homeland!
Industry? Pollution
Oh you’re right, Romania should have invented solar photovoltaic modules in 1955, totally communism’s fault that they didn’t! You’re ridiculous! You can also thank Chinese communism for Romania’s 47% of renewables, I bet half of that is achieved with solar panels, of which China manufactures 95% of the world’s supply! And likely another significant part of that 47% comes from hydroelectric stations from the communist times of Romania ;)
My parents lived through it themselves and I live in Romania today
So capitalism literally uprooted your family from your homeland for 30 years and you’re still licking the boot? That’s absurd levels of cognitive dissonance! Your family literally had to leave the fucking country because of the horrifying 1990s capitalist crisis, and only now can you move back to a somewhat stable Romania (likely highly educated and in a high paying service sector job of the top 10% of the population, correct me otherwise) being one of the few wealthy people enjoying the fruits of someone else’s labor in capitalism.
