• notwhoyouthink@lemmy.zip
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    12 hours ago

    So can we all just agree to form a party that simply will not aid and abet America becoming a Fascist state? Pretty easy message to stay firm on.

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    California Democratic party officials can go eff themselves while they sit down and shut up. They should stay out of trying to manipulate the primary system if they know whats good for them. Voters are sick of that shit.

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    2 days ago

    Establishment Dems: “We want our guys who follow our corporate rules at the top or we will spend money against you.”

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      The answer is it isn’t a Democratic primary. Some states have jungle primaries where all candidates of either party run and the top 2 move to the general. California is one such state.

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          Honestly I agree with one addendum: there needs to be approval voting or at least STAR/RCV for the primary, and this is one of those situations that proves it. That two people who’ll get all of maybe 40% combined (more likely 35%) may advance to the general while those that made up the 60% won’t is absurd and absolutely worse than just having two separate partisan primaries.

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      through brazen bribes from zionists across the entire US government, and much of the christian church as well.

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      Different states have different rules on who can run in a primary, with some states being very lax and letting anyone who can run no matter party affiliation. Also, in some states, people can vote in any party regardless of party affiliation.

      This was done as several states recognized that the two party system didn’t always produce the best candidate. Instead of creating systems allowing for more parties, these states created systems that weakened the power of that state’s or the counties’ political parties.

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        Also, in some states, people can vote in any party regardless of party affiliation.

        What does this mean? It sounds like you’re saying there are some (other) states where you do have to vote with whatever party you’re affiliated with. But that wouldn’t make sense with anonymous voting or, you know, democracy.

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          In party primaries, which are used to some states, the election of the party’s candidate in some states is a public election where anyone can vote, even people from other parties. Dove states require you to auto register for that party, but not all of them.

          So your party’s candidate gets chosen by everyone, not just members of your party.

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    Cali has 1 primary, and the top two candidates make it to the general…

    Some early polling of the race has put both Bianco and Hilton among the candidates splitting the most support in a state that hasn’t elected a Republican governor in 20 years.

    “The likelihood of two Republicans effectively ‘locking out’ California Democrats from the contest for Governor in the General Election is relatively low,” Hicks wrote. “However, while it is implausible, it is not impossible and I know we are collectively committed to taking the steps required to avoid that possibility.”

    Right now the top two candidates have an R by their name, which would depress general turnout when it matters and cost House seats we desperately need. Not to mention it would guarantee a Republican governor.

    But you’d have to read more than a headline to actually see that part…

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      I will note that we are generally still far enough out that Republicans will have a polling advantage. Which is probably why the top 2 are Rs, theyve been having this weird early surge then slow collapse for their candidates and policy for awhile now within the state. My best guess as to why is because they’ve basically burned down to the most core element within the state and have every incentive to respond to polling so as to try and influence the narrative.

      I’d hold off on putting pressure on smaller candidates for at least a month but I also get being worried.

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      helpful context: op principledfully and scientifically abstained from voting in the 2024 election, thus saving palestine. always check who’s talking it’s the same three fucking dipshits

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        Boo hoo, the one person who voted in California massively changed all the other states she ignored. That’s how it worked.

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        And I voted third party! Don’t forget that piece of important context.

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          Same here, I left it blank in the general and filled out the rest of the ballot. I also dont support genocides regardless of the consequences. Theres actually lots of us, you aren’t alone. The party ignores us at their own peril and I’m not about to change because they want me to. And any centrists who dont like it can kiss my arse. Cheers to you, man.

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          Ya choose better or you get worse.

          Evolution takes a few iterations, but you have to put in the one day of work every 4 years without getting bored of it.

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          Silly you, your vote in California somehow also made Harris lose every other state. Don’t ask them how the math or logic works, just vote blue no matter who and don’t ask questions.

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            Thats a person who stood up for their principles while you abandoned yours. You’re the manipulated one here. And we both lost so I dont see that it matters much who you feel like you need to blame. I respect my dog’s barking more than I respect anything you say, and my dog is an idiot. Just be aware that the same voting outcome will happen again if t needs to. And 20% of the voters are progressive. So maybe dont try to run a campaign on genocide support from the ‘lefty’ party again and things will turn out better. Or, you can choose to continue to lose. Centrists are in charge of the party machine, right-- so you go ahead and choose while I sit over here sipping my coffee and talking to Dems who arent sellouts and war criminals.

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                Calling anyone who didnt vote for Harris or support her platform a trump supporter is such a classic centrist move. Besides being utter devoid of any ethics around your own stance on genocide, you’re also brazenly dishonest about everyone else as well. You’d fit right in on the far right yourself.

                Thats why people call you blue maga.

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            Says the people that fall in line and do what you are told every election, no balls to do whats right. If you voted democrat you voted for our current situation

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                Anyone supporting a party thats lost 2 elections to a carnival barker when they had every possible advantage in their favor needs to shut the fuck up and sit down. They are in no position to lecture anyone about their choices.

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                  Yeah, because there wasn’t a coordinated effort to trash his opponents and promote trump online. Yeah, riiiiiight. Like elon musk, didn’t interfer and buy a social media company to shit out propaganda and manipulate people. Yaaaaa. Riiiiiight.

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                That’s how democracy and voting works. You can vote or not vote. A vote is earned not given away freely.

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              If genocide isnt their red line they are no different than the MAGA they claim to hate. BlueMAGA’s true hatred of republicans is they see them as a projection of themselves

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              You’re right, thank you for standing by and doing nothing. You really helped avoid the worst possible situation!

              Idiot

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    I never liked open primaries. The whole point of a party primary is to out one candidate forward. In the open primary, you don’t do that. Now the party has to ask the candidates nicely to try not to split the vote 100 ways.

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      Open primaries work better in small local elections. My county made positions non-partisan so there is an open primary, and the top two candidates go to a runoff. It was able to break the Republicans horrific stranglehold on local politics and let cooler heads shine through, because with party affiliations involved whoever had the ® always wins by default.

      Statewide with political affiliations still involved though, seems like a clusterfuck with so many vote splitters involved.