“It’s always difficult when a parent dies, and there’s no simple solution for the complicated, emotionally charged situations that follow. My condolences for your loss. Some people on substack have suggested grief counseling might be able to help raise you back to baseline and others on Reddit’s dungeons and dragons subreddit have suggested going in a grand adventure to kill god for their part in your misfortune.”
I just wish I knew more than two AIisms to be able to repartee in circular, agreeable absentmindedness. But thank you for understanding my understanding that understands your understanding!
I’m yet to see a person behaving ‘in touch’ and not just spouting the most corny and sloppy zero-thought-required answer any time i needed emotional support tbh.
Active listening is typically what people want and need. Most days, everything else reads as either an interruption or as bullshit, when a person wants to be heard.
The other element in those conversations is empathy. No bot can accomplish that piece. It’s a case of black and white, there or not, and it is a bot.
I think when people fill the silence with crap like “everything happens for a reason” they’re trying to push the idea of empathy in a way that comes off about as well as a bot trying to emulate a human.
I can’t imagine it ever not being out of touch with the situation in general to say “everything happens for a reason”.
I’m not arguing for the bot. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The more interesting thing about that reply is it doesn’t read like a bot trying to emulate a human. It reads like what it is, a search bot with a little frill. Likely a triggered protocol.
That’s just deists being deists. Unfortunately, there’s nothing to be done about completely competing mindsets effectively solely offering platitudes to one another.
And it’s what google’s LLM offered, way back when “AI” was new and exciting and on the news everywhere, so there might be something to that assessment. I just referenced my very dated memory of a thing I saw like twice.
You and op describe tactless people employing a thought stopping phrase that they are most likely intending to be comforting.
Sometimes intent doesn’t matter at all. Sometimes intent is everything. When you’re making emotional space to grieve with someone, that’s one of the times intent matters more than the words you’re going to say. You will put your foot in your mouth. That’s a reason why I try (big emphasis on try) not to blame people for unusual words or actions when they’re grieving. It’s your presence and your affection, your validation that matter more than specific words.
Sometimes you have to recognize the intent and let the specific words go. If you’re close enough you can explain why so many people hate the phrase, but I wouldn’t expect a receptive audience from any but the closest friends.
I don’t believe it’s tactless, just that it doesn’t serve their understanding of the world to say that it isn’t. Comforting the bereaved is hard and new for most and they feel a lot of hurt about how they were treated, so my pushback was light to keep them engaged. Acknowledging and contextualizing it and then moving through it serves them far better than “no and.”
yep. Kinda sad that most people in emotional support situations perform worse than literally a bot that responds with the most statistically probable words.
My guess, the subject matter likely triggers a safety protocol. How often does the bot cite sources in that way? It’s not a conversational reply that’s trying to emulate a human.
“It’s always difficult when a parent dies, and there’s no simple solution for the complicated, emotionally charged situations that follow. My condolences for your loss. Some people on substack have suggested grief counseling might be able to help raise you back to baseline and others on Reddit’s dungeons and dragons subreddit have suggested going in a grand adventure to kill god for their part in your misfortune.”
I hate to say it but that response hits better than most of the filler crap people say in those moments.
Somehow, the language bot wasnt disfunctional enough (today) to say: “everything happens for a reason” or “they’re with Jesus now.”
Coming from a person, particularly one you know? There’s humor and levity. From a bot? It’s just out of touch.
You’re right to push back, and I can see where I got it wrong…
I’m a little confused, you don’t seem to be the person I replied to earlier.
Again, that’s on me. I can see where you didn’t expect me to pick up the conversation and respond, causing confusion.
Next time I’ll be more careful!
Would you like for me to describe exactly what I’ll do to be more careful?
Alright, now I get it. I’ve never really used AI so it took me a second.
I applaud your ignorance, and engaging the bit.
❤️
I just wish I knew more than two AIisms to be able to repartee in circular, agreeable absentmindedness. But thank you for understanding my understanding that understands your understanding!
I’m yet to see a person behaving ‘in touch’ and not just spouting the most corny and sloppy zero-thought-required answer any time i needed emotional support tbh.
Active listening is typically what people want and need. Most days, everything else reads as either an interruption or as bullshit, when a person wants to be heard.
The other element in those conversations is empathy. No bot can accomplish that piece. It’s a case of black and white, there or not, and it is a bot.
I think when people fill the silence with crap like “everything happens for a reason” they’re trying to push the idea of empathy in a way that comes off about as well as a bot trying to emulate a human.
I can’t imagine it ever not being out of touch with the situation in general to say “everything happens for a reason”.
I’m not arguing for the bot. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
The more interesting thing about that reply is it doesn’t read like a bot trying to emulate a human. It reads like what it is, a search bot with a little frill. Likely a triggered protocol.
That’s just deists being deists. Unfortunately, there’s nothing to be done about completely competing mindsets effectively solely offering platitudes to one another.
And it’s what google’s LLM offered, way back when “AI” was new and exciting and on the news everywhere, so there might be something to that assessment. I just referenced my very dated memory of a thing I saw like twice.
You and op describe tactless people employing a thought stopping phrase that they are most likely intending to be comforting.
Sometimes intent doesn’t matter at all. Sometimes intent is everything. When you’re making emotional space to grieve with someone, that’s one of the times intent matters more than the words you’re going to say. You will put your foot in your mouth. That’s a reason why I try (big emphasis on try) not to blame people for unusual words or actions when they’re grieving. It’s your presence and your affection, your validation that matter more than specific words.
Sometimes you have to recognize the intent and let the specific words go. If you’re close enough you can explain why so many people hate the phrase, but I wouldn’t expect a receptive audience from any but the closest friends.
I don’t believe it’s tactless, just that it doesn’t serve their understanding of the world to say that it isn’t. Comforting the bereaved is hard and new for most and they feel a lot of hurt about how they were treated, so my pushback was light to keep them engaged. Acknowledging and contextualizing it and then moving through it serves them far better than “no and.”
And I was just making fun of llm gaffs.
Nope.
You think llms can produce sincere, emotionally touching, non-parasocial relationships? That, I disagree with.
yep. Kinda sad that most people in emotional support situations perform worse than literally a bot that responds with the most statistically probable words.
My guess, the subject matter likely triggers a safety protocol. How often does the bot cite sources in that way? It’s not a conversational reply that’s trying to emulate a human.
All the time
I’ve never played proper DnD but that grand adventure sounds fun.
“Great! Here are a list of major holy sites…”
I’m not going to offer material for a literal crusade, you get the joke.
I hate to agree with reddit
Your lemmy pass is revoked. You may collect your belongings and exit at the rear
Honestly, i’d prefer to hear this than “they are now with jesus” “they are gonna be happy with god” “sadly those things happen”
“Go talk to people” is literally the best advice it can give, though.
The schizophrenia is coming from inside the house…
I’ve no clue what llms can or cannot offer. I just like reminding people that it takes information out of context.