Karl Marx was alive during the civil war. We know what he and his fellow communists thought about it. In fact, some of his fellow Communists were Forty-Eighters: German Radicals who were exiled after the failed revolutions of 1848, many of whom fought in the civil war.
One of them was August Willich, an ardent Communist who thought Marx of all people was too conservative. A “Tankie” of his day.
The German Communists, like Willich, who fought in the American Civil War believed that the war against slavery, and in the side of the Union, was a Social Revolution against the reactionary landed gentry of the south.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in Southwest, Ohio. If you go to the rapidly gentrifying Cincinnati neighborhood of Over The Rhine, it’s called that because it was originally made up of forty-eighter German immigrants, who became active participants in the underground railroad, and helped set up social programs to educate freed slaves, and provide them with housing and such.
So the only person lacking critical thinking here is you OP. You’ve made up a guy in your head, to get mad at.
Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
You know the same people that support pedophilia and genocide and manufacturing your news. They define what you see as “vile” and why we “vileness supporters” must be demonized and trolled. For purity of thought and spirit. For the liberal world order which preaches that we should accept different people, different cultures, different viewpoints. Except the vile ones of course, the impure ones. The many Hitlers of this world. As dictated by your masters who practice pedophilia and genocide.
It’s not going to get much clearer than that. Because the sickness in your heads just doesn’t make much sense. That’s what you allowed yourself to become.
What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this? Am I supposed to now be sympathetic to Russia because of the issues with corporate American media? You are making wild assumptions of where I get my information from and what my views are.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
Maybe you didn’t realize this, but the very same people withholding the full release of the Epstein files and allowing so many to skirt accountability for their horrible crimes are not exactly friendly to Ukraine.
No amount of bloviating about how supposedly unfairly the media treats figures like Putin and Trump is going to get me to support their expansionistic endeavors and immoral wars.
These vile, expansionistic behaviors are not simply different people with different viewpoints. The purveyors of these actions and their supporters are owed no tolerance.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
No you do not. You’re lying.
You clearly support coups and interventions in sovereign nations to overthrow their democratic government. Even Ukrainian courts have ruled that the Euromaidan massacre was perpetrated by far right (swoboda / nazi) elements. It’s all documented and historical facts.
And you cannot know the historical facts and then deny that you are on team pedophilia. Because you’re repeating all the talking points of the fascist pedophile team. From Bush in 2008 to Obama to Trump and Biden, the US strategy was long set for Ukraine and Georgia. You just choose not to listen to facts or do the work yourself of looking them up and instead repeat the hegemonic talking points.
That’s you! A goon who does not care when a nation is manipulated, democratic governments are toppled and people massacred! You say you don’t support imperialism but that is what you’re doing right here! By denying simple historical facts!
And you call us “vile” lol. And you know what is funny? We don’t even really support Russia! It’s more like a default opposition to you because of your lies and hate and aggression and bloodlust and warmongering. In your arrogance you want to expand your “liberal world order” all around the world. I oppose that, but I don’t support Putin.
If you have to assert that you know my position better than I do, you’re losing the argument.
It’s honestly really messed up of you to say that those who disagree with you are on “team pedophile.”
Me expressing that I have disdain both for what Israel and the US are doing with Palestine and what Russia is doing with Ukraine shouldn’t be controversial. It shouldn’t be getting you this worked up.
I will not be engaging with any of your inane, unsourced ramblings because you are not engaging in this conversation with respect and a genuine desire to understand. Your staggering arrogance prevents you from genuinely comprehending my position since you’re clearly more interested claiming that I’m somehow lying about my genuine views.
Nothing that you wrote accurately describes my viewpoints. It’s pathetic that you have to craft a fiction about my views in order to feel better about yourself.
It’s pretty clear that people are not being unfair to you in other interactions. You lead with being antagonistic and insulting and profoundly fail to genuinely engage with the conversation. Instead, you craft a fiction of what you wish my views are so you can tear that down instead. You demonstrate a profound lack of social skills and emotional intelligence.
Do better, and for your own sake, I sure hope you don’t go accusing people of being on “team pedophile” in person. It won’t go well for you.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
You’re not clowning, you’re trolling and spreading lies and misinformation about people and disrupting discourse.
Huh maybe that is what it is. As a liberal in recent years the outlets for hate have become increasingly policed. You can’t make jokes about LGBTQ or disabled or women or even religious people any more. But you people still feel that hate, that strong desire to hate on people, but now it needs new outlets since the familiar ones are policed. So your “clowning” needs new targets, any target really. I think I’m onto something here.
It’s like you people need to shit badly, and are running down the street and looking for any excuse to find someone “vile” to shit on. You just can’t function differently. So to you the need to shit is just so much more important than arguing based on logic or truth or facts or being polite to people who think differently. It’s just that everything turns into shit in your head and your mouth is like an asshole with verbal diarrhea.
Thank you so much you helped me tremendously to understand people with your kind of problem.
I wouldn’t mention the latter occasionally because you’re still using lemmy, so you can’t see my «Politics» label.
I sat down to review all your historical assertions without a single citation. Meaning, I won’t cite back if you don’t.
Are there Achtundvierziger today, or similar vanguard parties?
Godric maybe projecting the trends a sees from camp threadiverse comments & posts, but do we even have a contemporary vanguard party doing praxis? PSL legitimately doesn’t count, so if you bring them as an example, we have nothing further to discuss. You can also work with Godric to end campist rhetorizing moving forward. Whenever you both see campism, hold them accountable. I believe all of us🧵 want to end campism. I in particularly want to see Dengism邓理论 gone forever.
Be aware that I use this instance exactly because I have given up on 习 . So honestly don’t bring it up.
Yeah, what in the ever living fuck are you talking about? This AI listicle-ass comment is genuinely illegible to me. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
1 and 2 pertain to the same topic. 2 even continues the same sentence.
4 and 5 should be grouped together, as 5 refers to 4.
6 and 7 should be grouped together. In part because they both are just regurgitation of propaganda made by y the same people that sold you on Nayirah’s testimony, Iraq WMDs and the like. (Also, have to chuckle at the “campism” but when you very openly engage in pro-NATO campism.)
Just using standard paragraphs and not an ordered list would be more readable, since you are not enumerating anything, nor is there a good case for referring to each of these items by the numbers outside of the conversation about how useless the ordered list is here.
Yes, but the way you separated them makes things less readable. They should be combined into the same sentence, not into two separate numbered list items.
I can def. combine4&5, but will SpookyBogMonster keep quiet about point 4 if 5 is the only choice?
Not clear what you mean here.
6&7 need to be separated, as 6 is my intersection for Godric’s plea to end campist rhetorics
Firstly, what do you mean by “intersection for a plea”? I suspect you think that the word “intersection” means something other than what it means.
Secondly, Godric isn’t making any pleas here. Godric is simply running propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world and hates on socialists.
whence?
I will assume you meant “where?”, and not “whence?”. I suspect that you think that those words are synonyms.
Like, for example, when you claimed that Salvador Allende did a genocide. Also, complaints about “campism” are usually just support for colonialism (highly doubt that that is not the case for you). I can find more examples.
It isn’t any more brief than using standard paragraphs, nor does it simplify referencing, as one would just use markdown quotation for that here anyway.
Not at all sure what you mean by “value” here.
Your chosen way of formatting texts just makes them less readable.
I totally skimmed what you had written as it was pretty inchoherent. If your politics have become so esoteric that Lemmy users can’t parse them, that’s a ‘you’ problem and you might want to examine it.
Like, the barrier to entry of Lemmy filters users here such that: most people here tend to have above average intelligence and reading comprehension.
So, you’re either posting AI crap, or have gotten so twisted on some kind of propaganda that you can’t meaningfully comminciate with others. If you’re actually human you shoild probably unplug from your political ideology source and talk to an old wise hippy or something.
There’s folk who can’t help but make anti-tankie posts in the fediverse, which specifically and directly are requests for that kind of responsive content.
Karl Marx was alive during the civil war. We know what he and his fellow communists thought about it. In fact, some of his fellow Communists were Forty-Eighters: German Radicals who were exiled after the failed revolutions of 1848, many of whom fought in the civil war.
One of them was August Willich, an ardent Communist who thought Marx of all people was too conservative. A “Tankie” of his day.
The German Communists, like Willich, who fought in the American Civil War believed that the war against slavery, and in the side of the Union, was a Social Revolution against the reactionary landed gentry of the south.
Many Forty-Eighters settled in Southwest, Ohio. If you go to the rapidly gentrifying Cincinnati neighborhood of Over The Rhine, it’s called that because it was originally made up of forty-eighter German immigrants, who became active participants in the underground railroad, and helped set up social programs to educate freed slaves, and provide them with housing and such.
So the only person lacking critical thinking here is you OP. You’ve made up a guy in your head, to get mad at.
Oh friend, you have this wrong, I agree 100%, sorry for not spelling it out! This meme is about the blind modern day teamist support for any “anti-west” regime, no matter how vile.
So why are you listening unquestioningly to team pedophile and team genocide?
What? Ukraine? What are you talking about?
You know the same people that support pedophilia and genocide and manufacturing your news. They define what you see as “vile” and why we “vileness supporters” must be demonized and trolled. For purity of thought and spirit. For the liberal world order which preaches that we should accept different people, different cultures, different viewpoints. Except the vile ones of course, the impure ones. The many Hitlers of this world. As dictated by your masters who practice pedophilia and genocide.
It’s not going to get much clearer than that. Because the sickness in your heads just doesn’t make much sense. That’s what you allowed yourself to become.
What conclusion am I supposed to draw from this? Am I supposed to now be sympathetic to Russia because of the issues with corporate American media? You are making wild assumptions of where I get my information from and what my views are.
I have disdain for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine just as I have disdain for Israel’s treatment of Palestine and the United States’ enablement of this.
Maybe you didn’t realize this, but the very same people withholding the full release of the Epstein files and allowing so many to skirt accountability for their horrible crimes are not exactly friendly to Ukraine.
No amount of bloviating about how supposedly unfairly the media treats figures like Putin and Trump is going to get me to support their expansionistic endeavors and immoral wars.
These vile, expansionistic behaviors are not simply different people with different viewpoints. The purveyors of these actions and their supporters are owed no tolerance.
No you do not. You’re lying.
You clearly support coups and interventions in sovereign nations to overthrow their democratic government. Even Ukrainian courts have ruled that the Euromaidan massacre was perpetrated by far right (swoboda / nazi) elements. It’s all documented and historical facts.
And you cannot know the historical facts and then deny that you are on team pedophilia. Because you’re repeating all the talking points of the fascist pedophile team. From Bush in 2008 to Obama to Trump and Biden, the US strategy was long set for Ukraine and Georgia. You just choose not to listen to facts or do the work yourself of looking them up and instead repeat the hegemonic talking points.
That’s you! A goon who does not care when a nation is manipulated, democratic governments are toppled and people massacred! You say you don’t support imperialism but that is what you’re doing right here! By denying simple historical facts!
And you call us “vile” lol. And you know what is funny? We don’t even really support Russia! It’s more like a default opposition to you because of your lies and hate and aggression and bloodlust and warmongering. In your arrogance you want to expand your “liberal world order” all around the world. I oppose that, but I don’t support Putin.
You however are team pedophile and team genocide.
If you have to assert that you know my position better than I do, you’re losing the argument.
It’s honestly really messed up of you to say that those who disagree with you are on “team pedophile.”
Me expressing that I have disdain both for what Israel and the US are doing with Palestine and what Russia is doing with Ukraine shouldn’t be controversial. It shouldn’t be getting you this worked up.
I will not be engaging with any of your inane, unsourced ramblings because you are not engaging in this conversation with respect and a genuine desire to understand. Your staggering arrogance prevents you from genuinely comprehending my position since you’re clearly more interested claiming that I’m somehow lying about my genuine views.
Nothing that you wrote accurately describes my viewpoints. It’s pathetic that you have to craft a fiction about my views in order to feel better about yourself.
It’s pretty clear that people are not being unfair to you in other interactions. You lead with being antagonistic and insulting and profoundly fail to genuinely engage with the conversation. Instead, you craft a fiction of what you wish my views are so you can tear that down instead. You demonstrate a profound lack of social skills and emotional intelligence.
Do better, and for your own sake, I sure hope you don’t go accusing people of being on “team pedophile” in person. It won’t go well for you.
Don’t talk down to me. You made up a guy to get mad at. There is no human being on earth who holds the position you claim “Tankies” hold.
Delete this post.
Nah, this meme is about the Russia-supporting dorks we see so much of. You don’t want to see more jokes about losers who twist themselves into intellectually and morally bankrupt shapes to defend authoritarianism, block button’s right there, because I’m gonna keep clowning on em :)
You’re not clowning, you’re trolling and spreading lies and misinformation about people and disrupting discourse.
Huh maybe that is what it is. As a liberal in recent years the outlets for hate have become increasingly policed. You can’t make jokes about LGBTQ or disabled or women or even religious people any more. But you people still feel that hate, that strong desire to hate on people, but now it needs new outlets since the familiar ones are policed. So your “clowning” needs new targets, any target really. I think I’m onto something here.
It’s like you people need to shit badly, and are running down the street and looking for any excuse to find someone “vile” to shit on. You just can’t function differently. So to you the need to shit is just so much more important than arguing based on logic or truth or facts or being polite to people who think differently. It’s just that everything turns into shit in your head and your mouth is like an asshole with verbal diarrhea.
Thank you so much you helped me tremendously to understand people with your kind of problem.
Right. A false appeal to my mental health. That’s not ableist at all.
We met different people then
Can you link to a post or comment from a communist who supports the confederates?
Do you think i save a link for every thing i see and interact with online?
What you’re talking about is pretty remarkable, sorry for asking for evidence.
So you’re a liar, Gotcha.
lol, modern tankies have nothing to do with Marx.
I am not OP but a Black anarchist vanguard.
I wouldn’t mention the latter occasionally because you’re still using lemmy, so you can’t see my «Politics» label.
I sat down to review all your historical assertions without a single citation. Meaning, I won’t cite back if you don’t.
Are there Achtundvierziger today, or similar vanguard parties?
Godric maybe projecting the trends a sees from camp threadiverse comments & posts, but do we even have a contemporary vanguard party doing praxis? PSL legitimately doesn’t count, so if you bring them as an example, we have nothing further to discuss. You can also work with Godric to end campist rhetorizing moving forward. Whenever you both see campism, hold them accountable. I believe all of us🧵 want to end campism. I in particularly want to see Dengism邓理论 gone forever.
Be aware that I use this instance exactly because I have given up on 习
. So honestly don’t bring it up.
I am open for anything else.
Yeah, what in the ever living fuck are you talking about? This AI listicle-ass comment is genuinely illegible to me. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say
You’ve never seen an ordered list?
Want me to essay it?
The ordered list in that comment serves no purpose, as the items are not even properly grouped. It just hurts readability.
They are grouped by topics 1 respondent, 2 politics, 3 literacy confirmation, 4 thesis, 5 warning, 6 intersection check, 7 commentary, 8 openness to dialogue
So, at the very least:
1 differentiates from op, 2 outlines my politics which may also differ from op. Continued sentences is something everyone does, no?
I can def. combine4&5, but will SpookyBogMonster keep quiet about point 4 if 5 is the only choice?
6&7 need to be separated, as 6 is my intersection for Godric’s plea to end campist rhetorics, not my personal antidengist praxis.
whence?
brevity, citation, referencing, value, formatting, etc…
I’ll edit an essay format you then.
Yes, but the way you separated them makes things less readable. They should be combined into the same sentence, not into two separate numbered list items.
Not clear what you mean here.
Firstly, what do you mean by “intersection for a plea”? I suspect you think that the word “intersection” means something other than what it means.
Secondly, Godric isn’t making any pleas here. Godric is simply running propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world and hates on socialists.
I will assume you meant “where?”, and not “whence?”. I suspect that you think that those words are synonyms.
Like, for example, when you claimed that Salvador Allende did a genocide. Also, complaints about “campism” are usually just support for colonialism (highly doubt that that is not the case for you). I can find more examples.
It isn’t any more brief than using standard paragraphs, nor does it simplify referencing, as one would just use markdown quotation for that here anyway.
Not at all sure what you mean by “value” here.
Your chosen way of formatting texts just makes them less readable.
I totally skimmed what you had written as it was pretty inchoherent. If your politics have become so esoteric that Lemmy users can’t parse them, that’s a ‘you’ problem and you might want to examine it.
Like, the barrier to entry of Lemmy filters users here such that: most people here tend to have above average intelligence and reading comprehension.
So, you’re either posting AI crap, or have gotten so twisted on some kind of propaganda that you can’t meaningfully comminciate with others. If you’re actually human you shoild probably unplug from your political ideology source and talk to an old wise hippy or something.
A lot of people in the west think that Communists/Socialists are all leftwing, when there’s plenty of conservative traditionalist Communists.
There just more modern and outside the us, in places like China, Africa, Asia, and South America.
Y’all really can’t help yourselves but to come into every anti-tankie post in the fediverse to call the OP stupid, huh?
When you make stupid posts, people are gonna think you’re fucking stupid
There’s folk who can’t help but make anti-tankie posts in the fediverse, which specifically and directly are requests for that kind of responsive content.