Then you are literary handicapped.

Ah, ableism. Incredibly misplaced, to boot.
What you are saying is that you had to separate those points of your original list because of Godric’s actions that were contrary to what you originally claimed. How those things are connected, you are yet to explain.

You made me cite a dictionary, since you’re literary handicapped.

More ableism.

“From what source?” also doesn’t work as a question in those context. You could have either asked “where/when did I say that?”, or made the request “cite me saying/implying that”. At best, if we are to keep “whence”, it should be “Whence does it follow?”

Also, “literary” and “literally” (and “literarily”, for that matter) are not synonyms, and “literary” does not work in this context.

Source your claims

Here’s you complaining about being banned for trolling in a memes community by making the aforementioned assertions. The context is provided in the comments, and does include people quoting your “Salvador Allende’s genocide” thing.

Anti colonial forcing the Ukrainian genocide

Except there hasn’t been a “Ukrainian genocide” apart from the Lebensraum+the Holocaust, carried out by Germany and their allies (including such groups as the OUN).
If you want to claim that the famine of 1932 in the USSR (which, I remind you, affected the entire union, rather than some particular group (unlike, say Churchill’s Bangladesh famine, or the Irish potato famine), which is what we would expect from a genocide) was somehow a genocide, then you should present your study to the historians that specialise on that famine, as they have come to a very different conclusion from you.

Filipino larceny

The what?

Japanese island debates

It’s silly how you think that the Kuril islands should belong to unrepentant genocidaires that are under control of NATO.
What is your argument here, even?

Indian border bounties

What “bounties”?

do I go for more examples?

You are yet to provide even one example for why we should supposedly consider the USSR and the PRC as bad. At least try to elaborate on what you have already claimed.

For whom are the examples you wanted bring up for

I am speaking with you, am I not?

what purpose does it serve than blatantly sidetracking gish gallop?

A Gish gallop would be if I just kept throwing different examples without elaborating. Kind of like you did in your last comment.
Wait, do you even know what “Gish gallop” is, and why it has “gallop” in the name?

Don’t know what “CCP” is, but it’s pretty silly how brazenly you ignore reality just because your masters told you that “Iraq has WMDs” again.

Then you can see why i made distinctions for points 1,2,5,6&7.

No.

Whence?

The word is “where”, not “whence”. “Whence” means “where from”, not “where”.
Alternatively, you could use “when” in this context.

To answer your question, around the 30th of July, you were repeatedly asserting that kittenzrulz did apologia for a supposed genocide by Salvador Allende (among other things).

They aren’t, since I made points 1,2,5&7 pretty clear.

I mean, you do seem to complain about the PRC, as well as about the USSR a lot here, despite them being some of the most prominent anti-colonial forces during relevant timeframes. Judging by your assertions like how Allende did a genocide, as well as similar ones, your hatred for them seems to simply stem from your pro-NATO campism and the fact that your empire told you to hate those polities.

Unless you think PSL abused antidengist black anarchists are colonists.

This isn’t even a grammatically sound sentence. Frankly, what is up with your English?
Are you asserting that the PSL claimed that pro-NATO “anarchists” are pro-colonialism? If so, then yeah. Those people support the colonial metropole(s) efforts to colonially subjugate the Global South, which does make them supporters of colonialism.

For yourself, a narrative, my question, anticolonialism, anti PRC, anti PSL, kibblebits, Chileans, slavers, campists, or?

What are you even asking here?

1 differentiates from op, 2 outlines my politics

Yes, but the way you separated them makes things less readable. They should be combined into the same sentence, not into two separate numbered list items.

I can def. combine4&5, but will SpookyBogMonster keep quiet about point 4 if 5 is the only choice?

Not clear what you mean here.

6&7 need to be separated, as 6 is my intersection for Godric’s plea to end campist rhetorics

Firstly, what do you mean by “intersection for a plea”? I suspect you think that the word “intersection” means something other than what it means.
Secondly, Godric isn’t making any pleas here. Godric is simply running propaganda for the most prolific invader in the world and hates on socialists.

whence?

I will assume you meant “where?”, and not “whence?”. I suspect that you think that those words are synonyms.
Like, for example, when you claimed that Salvador Allende did a genocide. Also, complaints about “campism” are usually just support for colonialism (highly doubt that that is not the case for you). I can find more examples.

brevity, citation, referencing, value, formatting, etc…

It isn’t any more brief than using standard paragraphs, nor does it simplify referencing, as one would just use markdown quotation for that here anyway.
Not at all sure what you mean by “value” here.
Your chosen way of formatting texts just makes them less readable.

Considering how many liberals support things like returning slavery to Tibet, or enslaving Libya, or doing similar things to Syria, Palestine, Korea, Russia, Afghanistan, etc. they might as well be saying that.

Hell, you do support NATO attacking and subjugating the rest of the world, so why pretend as if I don’t have any examples?

Speaking of examples, you haven’t pointed out any socialists who supported the Confederacy at the time, nor any socialists who do now.

So, at the very least:

• 1 and 2 pertain to the same topic. 2 even continues the same sentence.
• 4 and 5 should be grouped together, as 5 refers to 4.
• 6 and 7 should be grouped together. In part because they both are just regurgitation of propaganda made by y the same people that sold you on Nayirah’s testimony, Iraq WMDs and the like. (Also, have to chuckle at the “campism” but when you very openly engage in pro-NATO campism.)
• Just using standard paragraphs and not an ordered list would be more readable, since you are not enumerating anything, nor is there a good case for referring to each of these items by the numbers outside of the conversation about how useless the ordered list is here.

Are you fine with all the suffering that “the lower classes” are to continue to be subjected to in the case of the US continuing to exist as is, then?

The ordered list in that comment serves no purpose, as the items are not even properly grouped. It just hurts readability.

Supporting reactionary uprisings is actually the liberal thing.
Case in point - all the clamouring for slaver rulers in Tibet.

Europe will never forgive the USSR for things like the 8-hour working day, women’s rights, fighting against colonialism (including Germany and Japan, but also including many other places, like Vietnam, Mozambique, Korea, etc.), massively improving life expectancy and education, guaranteed housing, and otherwise improving workers’ living conditions.

I have seen more wild mental gymnastics from people defending the most prolific invader in the world (i.e. NATO) and claims that the rest of the world is bad for defending itself against it.

On that note, what do you think a state should do when the most prolific invader in the world starts amassing troops on its borders (or otherwise in position to attack, like with Iran), especially after said invader carries out a coup against a neighbouring state?

So we agree that this is a matter of degree rather than kind.

This whole time you have been arguing, at best, that the degree doesn’t matter (though, you did say once that consuming meat is worse than production, despite the fact that it’s the production that is the problem), and that being a nurse in the private healthcare system in the US is exactly as bad as sniping children in Iraq.

I fail to see much of one between the non-combatant service member and, say, the average US citizen who pays no mind to how their lifestyle and choices impact the world.

One directly contributes to the goals of the most vile military in the world and can’t be substituted by civilians, the other is usually as far removed from contributing to those goals as possible (with the consideration that people in NATO are generally forced to take part in NATO’s economy, but are not forced to be in the military taken into account).

The difference is that I don’t attribute moral condemnation on every person who just so happens to be in the military.

Sure. Some actually do sabotage of the military, like Chelsea Manning.
The vast majority don’t.

The cook serving on a military base is about as responsible for an atrocity that occurs in the middle east as you are responsible for whatever negative outcomes are associated with the way you earn and spend your money.

Lol no. A military cook directly makes sure that the murderers and torturers do not go hungry and are in a perfect condition to murder and torture.

Are you trying to ask what would be the good outcome of a massive labor strike in the US healthcare industry?

No. I asked what would be the good outcome of there being no healthcare workers in the US. The soldiers striking was never in the picture.
The benefits of there being no military in the US are clear and lack cons. The benefits of there being no healthcare workers in the US are dubious.

I get the impression you’re once again trying to excuse yourself of moral blame by saying the producers of animal products are significantly worse than the consumers.

The actual harm in this situation is done to the animals from whom the meat is made. This is done by the producers, rather than by the consumers. Not sure why you think that it’s the other way around.

And no, I don’t believe you have a moral right to be a terrorist.

So, you agree, then, that becoming a USian terrorist for money is inexcusable, and that the rest of the world is in the right to defend itself from them however it sees fit?

I do think the perception matters in these instances.

Haha. No, the severity of the tortures, the killings and the like do not depend on if the shutzstaffel thugs think those are good things.

It’s a testament to the success of the propaganda surrounding public schools that you have conflated the institution of public education with education simpliciter.

As somebody who studies by themselves every day, I didn’t. That’s just how effective education is done at scale.

As for the difference between whims and instructions, they’re effectively the same.

They aren’t. The range of things that a teacher can demand can and is bounded.

We have children requesting to use the restroom, even being denied such a “privilege.”

This is an understandable complaint.

Who are you allowed to talk to and when? The teacher decides. Who can you sit next to? The teacher decides. … Hungry? You can eat at the appointed time and no other.

These complaints are silly. Do you think these are ‘whims’?

Want to associate with someone in a different grade? Not permitted.

In every place where I studied, there were no such limitations, with some even studying together with children from other grades in the same classrooms.

We somehow have accepted that school children ought to be treated like prisoners rather than free members of our society.

Seems like a very personally-charged tangent, but ok.

It decreases overall

Yeah, so it is not true at least in the case of the USian shutzstaffel, contrary to the original claim.

If “respond to the draft or get arrested” is your interpretation of choice

The US isn’t doing a forced draft. These monsters sign up voluntarily.

So insulting the military can come off as insulting the person rather than the role/entity.

I am perfectly fine with insulting individual unrepentant USian shutzstaffel troops.

Especially for Americans, who do not have much outside of propaganda being fed from every angle and barely an education, many barely read anymore. If they can barely critically think, do you think they’re at fault or are they raised/trained to just believe it? This is the general population, not elite class who have better education purposely.

Propaganda isn’t done sci-fi mind control. These people are adults that supposedly still have brains that can self-reflect and analyse their beliefs. Stop pretending as if they are helpless and not self-serving and monstrous.

The main statistic that I want to point at is a majority joined for money and education.

Which shows that they can’t be defended.

It is so incredibly silly how this ‘they just want to go to university’ (by committing atrocities) retort is being thrown around as if they don’t have the option of simply not attending a university.

You’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. So why bring up Epstein?

Because somebody thinks that we should treat criminals the same as the military (despite criminals being a lot less harmful than the USian military). Considering that we are for some reason expected to just excuse the soldiers engaging in enslavement of foreigners, that means that so should the criminals.

but that doesn’t relate to poverty stricken individuals who I referenced

Only a small part of the USian shutzstaffel can be described so.

Again, it’s reactionary - you’re using pedophilia crime from the elite to compare to poverty related crime which is galaxies away on a morality spectrum. Killing someone from being on the brink of death for a way to survive is different than owning an island and sex trafficking humans.

You are saying that it’s perfectly fine to sign up to participate in kidnapping, torturing, murdering, and more assorted colonial subjugation of the Global South if one is poor, but that holding such people in contempt is reactionary.

Stop pretending as if they did so to survive. University is not needed to survive, and if you can sign up for the USian ss, you can find a different job.

why mention a upper class criminal again?

Because you just broadly said that criminals should be treated the same as the military when criminals do range from Epsteins who do what the military does to people who are, in fact, innocent.

And yes, you are currently saying that being essentially an Epsteinian lackey and helping to do human trafficking is fine if you are poor, so I am not sure why bringing up him rattles you so much.

Again, I understand your sediment. I’d just rather work towards deprogramming others who may be leaving the military or whatever relation to it with some grace in conversation (mostly in real life as this is what online banter is nowadays and probably always has and will) rather than attacking and letting the right (that can be reasoned with, I know some can’t be reason with) grow larger due to more alienation.

Don’t have a problem with that. And, if they do come to the understanding that what they did was bad, they will also understand the ire they were getting.

Put it this way: military recruitment is almost always inversely proportional to the economic wellbeing.

At least In the US, that is very much not true. The poor are actually underrepresented in the USian military. It is the well-of quantiles in the middle that are overrepresented.

Also, no, you are not forced to join the USian military.

Completely disagree. There’s an important caveat: Necessary consumption of products is the furthest one can be from participation.

We already know that you pretend that buying a product made by NATO is just as bad as being a torturer in Abu Ghraib.

Simply consuming things is, indeed, either the furthest one can be from relevant participation, or not far off. The fact that you keep equivocating that with going overseas to murder children simply betrays that you do not see people outside of NATO as people.

Also, you even think that consumers of meat are more at fault for producing meat than the people involved in producing meat, which is extremely silly.

That’s okay. I don’t necessarily expect someone to condemn themselves.

Cute, especially considering that I do not live in “the western world” (i.e. the Imperial Core), and neither does most of the world whom you claim it’s okay to invade. “It’s just as bad to buy meat as it is to orchestrate Highways of Death”, lol.

If you can sign up for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people in the Global South for the Epstein empire, you can find a different job.

Also, did they suddenly forget what their military does? And also failed to think of the people on the receiving end of what this military does? How is this in any way an excuse?

Most of the German military had nothing to do with the atrocities committed during the war

Holy hell, a clean wehrmachter in the wild in 2026.

It’s pretty silly to claim that most of the German military had nothing to do with, for example, the Lebensraum, which included such things as the invasion of the USSR.

Go ahead and show anything that says people who join the US military are well off.

Can’t do that right this moment, but what income quantiles do you think are the most represented in the USian genocide machine?