• mojo_raisin@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    So, if Jeffrey Epstein was alive, the person that wants to kill him because he raped their daughter is sick and should be kept away from society?

    Killing innocent people, and killing for self-defense are different.

    I think the person who thinks Jeffrey Epstein would deserve to live is sick.

    • Brokkr@lemmy.world
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      19 days ago

      They didn’t say that people like that shouldn’t have consequences, drastic and significant ones, but they may disagree with the specifics.

      Additionally, raping and murdering is what the quote is saying is wrong. The original quote does not state an opinion on using death as a penalty for these acts. For such a consequence, one could argue that it is necessary to distinguish murder and capital punishment as two separate acts, with the latter being justified.

      Finally, the quote is meant to point out to most people that regardless of their religious beliefs, they have a moral compass that is not contingent on their religious beliefs and that most people’s compass will generally point in similar directions. One could then conclude that religion is not required to know right from wrong.

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        19 days ago

        I agree with you, but it’s assuming the justice system functions. What happens when it no longer punishes those who need punished most?

        Edit: original with horrible typos for posterity: I agree with you, but it’s assuming the justice system functions. What happens when it ninkonger ounushes those who need ounished most?

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      19 days ago

      Wanting to kill someone and wanting someone to be killed are quite different.

      Wanting someone to face justice and wanting them dead are also quite different.

      • mojo_raisin@lemmy.world
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        19 days ago

        I suppose you’re right, for people that believe in “justice” administered by state. As an anarchist, I view states as fictional entities, like fiat currency, they’re not real (tho can have real effects), and are therefore not entitled to kill or imprison anyone for any reason, let alone to maintain order as they see it.

        Also, wanting to kill and feeling the need to kill, such as in self-defense are different too.

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          18 days ago

          I certainly do not trust the state’s justice, therefore I can’t trust them to execute someone even if we entertain he idea that executing someone is justified.