Blade Runner for me. Great themes, great plot, great visuals and music, horrendously boring and plodding. 2049 was better imo.
Wrong opinion. You can definitely enjoy 2049 more, but the better film is the first. I enjoy 2049 much more often, it is a very palatable movie that appeals to a greater, higher volume selling, family-friendlier audience than the original. It’s the lager vs a craft beer between the two, though.
He said “for me”. How could his opinion be wrong?
It just is. I cant let people be thinking it’s valid. I’m on a mission from god to defend blade runner.
It insists upon itself.
I feel like a lot of these films are important because they did something first. The problem is that it doesn’t mean that film did it best.
I’ve always talked about The Rolling Stones like this. I respect what they did, but I was born when rock had really gone beyond it. The Beatles too for the most part. Even a lot of '80s punk. I wanted faster, heavier, more technical. All the old stuff just felt basic to me, but I know it’s a matter of perspective.
The Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, these guys were inventing the sound of rock. I think they’re fantastic musicians. But Rush and Pink Floyd stand out more to me as timeless art.
Those artists arrived much later than the invention of rock. It was invented by Chuck Berry and other black artists in the US during the 50s.
I didn’t think my point needed a “history of music” lesson attached. The rock bands of the 60s were taking the experiments of swing and blues musicians from the decade prior and refining them into the aggressive, over-driven and distorted arrangements. Not “rock & roll”.
Ugh, lord of the rings. I tried watching it alone, with friends, with a girlfriend… Nope, just boring
You poor son of a bitch
I know. They tried to watch it so many times, that must have been hell. I could not get through it and would never subject myself to that crap again.
Lord of the Rings
Books, sure. The books are dense as all fuck, and I get that a lot of people aren’t interested in things like the ancestry of a tree.
Movies, though, are way more efficient with the storytelling. Especially the theatrical version, despite how much is missed out compared to the extended.
And then, sometimes, you watch it years or decades later and it clicks. And other times you are just convinced everyone who likes it are saying so because critics like it.
You’re insane. It’s a brilliant film.
Can you name 3 movies you actually liked?
Are you asking rhetorically?
I liked a lot of things. Would be hard to name 3
I’ve always been curious about Citizen Kane. I haven’t seen it. Is it boring too?
As with everything, it all depends on what you find boring.
There’s no action in Citizen Kane. There’s a small mystery who’s answer you may have seen in other media without knowing. Mostly it is a biography about a fictional character, complete with interviews with friends and enemies of said character (the titular Kane). You only actually get to see and know the character through flashbacks.
It should be noted that the character is actually based partly on a real person.
For what it is worth, I found it thrilling as a snot nosed teen who watched it in class for some reason or another. It suffers a little from its reputation as “the greatest film ever made”, but, it remains a very good character drama. Interest in the history of film and filmmaking will also go a long way towards making the movie compelling.
Harry Potter 6 for me. I could not get through this movie. I tried it about 5 times so far. Same with the book. I tried reading it at least 10 times including listening to it as an audiobook.
It’s just insufferable.
(And don’t worry, Rowling-haters, I of course pirated it except of the copy of the book that I got when I was a kid)
I mean, is anything Harry Potter considered fine art? That’s what the meme meant by cinema
I would argue that yes, the first movie is fine art, it was literally genre defining and captured a large majority of youths minds when it was released
Just because its technically a “kids movie” doesn’t make it not art
I mean, fair, but I understood it as a “must watch” movie. Something that everyone needs to have seen kinda thing.
And Harry Potter, I think, does fit that bill.
The Dune books.
OK, not boring, but nowhere near deserving the praise they get.
I’ve only managed to get through the first two.
I love the Dune books and I agree.
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If you don’t want me to root for someone don’t actively invest me in them over any other character.
You’ve missed most of the point of the books. Do you actually read science fiction? If so what is a better example of good science fiction?
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That isn’t it
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What’s the best book you’ve ever read?
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You’re the one making the rules. Just answer the question.
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Lol. Seething. Right.
If you don’t care for it, don’t let people make you watch it.
No one (sane) will go “Oh! you have to go to this 4 hour 17th century italian Opera with me! You will love it!” .You don’t “have to” value any kind of art. If you don’t, you don’t. That said, it might be worth trying at least once, you never know if you find something that stays with you.
“Oh! you have to go to this 4 hour 17th century italian Opera with me! You will love it!”
So you’ve never been dragged to Swan Lake?
I think that most of Art needs a bit oft commitment to be consumed and understood, you cannot expect to immediately understand a piece oft Art just because you can see colour and hear sound. It boils down to education, as you need to learn most things in manageable steps. What im saying is: if someone offers to show you something they like, they are likely a good resource to guide you through the experience.
More likely than the average Joe but guiding, like teaching or storytelling, is a distinct skill. Lots of people are totally blind to their own biases and the hypothetical 4 hour opera without context would definitely make me doubt their advice.
I felt this way about the book 1984. Entirely overrated.
Like yes I get that the subject matter is what makes it important, but plenty of other books (and other media) has covered it and done a better job of it. Plus, now we get to live it making the book wholly irrelevant.
That’s an issue you can run into with many classics. Either they did something so well it’s become a trope, or the artistry in it has been refined so much that the original feels like a poor imitation.
A great example in film is Citizen Cane. It used a lot of ground breaking approaches for cinematography and sound design, but those things aren’t ground breaking anymore, so watching it now doesn’t have the same “excitement”. A more modern example might be Toy Story; the animation doesn’t look too impressive by modern standards, but was ground breaking at the time.
yeah I had something similar with the Beatles, where literally my first memory of music is Abbey Road, so my whole life I was like, I don’t get the hype, that’s just what music sounds like. it was only recently I went and listened to the album again with context of what other music from the 60s was like, and I finally realized that they were truly doing some wild shit with songwriting and production
Funnily enough that’s exactly why I think the Beatles are just mediocre. Literally sticking out was all they needed to do, since literally nothing was good. In this day and age it’s just not good music, even if it might be a classic.
No music in the 60s was good? I think you might just have some very narrow taste.
According to my Spotify wrapped I listened to over 400 genres, and 1200 artists last year, so no, I’m pretty positive I don’t have narrow taste, even in the slightest.
Maybe it’s just in this specific case, but if you can’t find any enjoyable music from an entire decade, that’s on you. Unless you want to try and make the case that you’re the only one with good taste and the rest of us are just lowly rubes, which is obviously ridiculous (though I’d probably enjoy the attempt).
But you’re allowed to have narrow taste and it’s not an insult. No need to get offended.
Especially if you consider the late 60s, which was an incedible cultural phenomenon, maybe unparalled since in innovation.
Has nothing to do with narrow taste. And has nothing to do with that decade either. 70s and 50s were terrible as well. When your artist pool is only a few thousand artists that’s what happens. Like, seriously, there’s so few of them that wikipedia has an article of the majority of them.
I’m just trying to understand, do you think that with such a small number of artists that it was even slightly statistically possible that there was a artist from the 60s and 70s that is comparable to a single artist in the top thousand artists in the past 30 years? Like it just doesn’t even make statistical sense, much less any sense if you listen to a lot of music.
I’m not making an argument on taste. I’m making a statistical argument that is backed up by listening.
I can see this, but at the same time there are classics that still hold up great. Frankenstein for example is still a good read. Paradise Lost can be a big hard to digest, but I really enjoyed it.
Then again I don’t really read much Bible fanfic.
Frankenstein really doesn’t hold up, unless you’re on the younger side. The moral outrage on both sides is timeless and beautiful, but “I was put on bed rest because I looked at a cat funny” sticks out a bit too much in modern day.
Ah, I’m talking about Frankenstein and 1984 as stories. Frankenstein still a fun read, 1984 is definitely not. But yeah, that’s obviously a subjective thing.
I enjoyed it a lot and honestly, while I could see the massive influence it had on other things, and even being impressed by the distopian technology that would seem really scifi at the time, but is normal today, I think there are some aspects that have been explored further, but not at the same detail.
For example, doublethink and newspeak as a concept exists in other media, but I’ve never seen it explored to such details than in the book.
You should watch 2001 A space Odyssey it is exactly like this.
It is a historical documentary set in the early days of AI and Space Travel before SpaceX and ChatGPT, it’s kinda neet to see how far we’ve came in such a short time though.
In 2006 I fell asleep watching that movie. Highly recommend falling asleep watching that movie. The background noise is artistically stunning and sleep-promoting soothing.
Everyone in this thread is wrong.
God damn, i’ve never seen a comment that was more fucking correct than this. Bravo.
You DON’T like suck on strangers’ balls!
