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Can whatever this is even be called a war?
Russia invades Ukraine. USSA invades Venezuela. China invades Taiwan?
This is like the end of “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly”. It looks like the rule of law is losing bigly and the rule of force will be our future going forward unless it all gets burned to the ground in a nuclear frenzy. Fuck these deranged power brokers.
One of the three things you mentioned only happened in your head, though
A massive protest, I see.
Here’s the photographer’s Flickr account, you can see the protest was in fact quite well attended.
It’s just a little war, not the release of a new iphone.
Who cares if he had the authority or not.
What matters is that the people of Venezuela did not consent to his imperialistic actions. Not whether he has authority to make imperialistic actions.
The people of Venezuela didn’t consent to Maduro ruling over them either.
Only 32% of American voters consented to Trump ruling over them.
36% of eligible voters didn’t vote. So 68% of Americans either wanted Trump or didn’t really care.
Liberals, please stop with leading with the legal minutiae. Stop pretending that you would’ve been fine with this if only Trump had congressional approval. You know it’s just about oil and imperialism. Trump literally spelt it out for you. Stop censoring yourself because you think its “strategic”. Its not.
Fuck your congressional approval. Get a UN resolution. Nothing liberal about following international law.
Lmao international law and the UN was literally a Liberal Invention.
If even they had UN approval the US shouldnt invade Venezuela.
What matters first and foremost is the will of the people actually living in the country.
Maybe when conservatives stop playing “gotcha” games - attacking the absolute slightest imperfection in any liberal’s argument, all the while completely ignoring/blowing off the constant flat out blatant lies and lies of omission made by their so-called “leaders,” Maybe.
Why are you playing by conservative gotcha games then? Just say what you believe and say it as loud as you can. It is indeed a shouting match, not a debate.
I prefer honest communication. Without that, there’s no point in saying/shouting anything at all. I prefer to waste my time in more satisfying ways.
Protests are shouting matches. We’re not talking about general discussion. Do you censor yourself in general discussion because conservatives play gotcha games with you? How is that honest communication?
Saying “Trump did X and broke the law doing it” is not the same thing as saying “This would be fine if Trump had done it through legal channels”.
I literally said I know you oppose the action. Put that on the sign, its the most important thing.
Maybe we’re reading things differently, but I thought their sign implied that fairly strongly, just that they wanted to tack “Trump is a criminal” onto that without drastically increasing the wording.
Maybe that’s what they intended but I’ve noticed a trend of liberals immediately triangulating themselves into this “least-controversial” legalistic take because they don’t want to talk about Maduro. A stalinist waving a PSUV flag is more helpful at that point.
I’m not accusing you in particular of this or OP for that matter.
Quit calling people you don’t know liberals. That’s a trend that needs to stop, comrade. Most of the people you say that shit to are on our side, they just don’t put the terms and thoughts together.
Also, go complain to the protestors, or better yet, be at the protests.
If you want real change, quit nitpicking people on lemmy.
Isn’t everyone on this site a liberal though? I don’t think I’ve seen a single conservative on here.
Trump’s fat ass didn’t do anything to Venezuela. Soldiers followed his orders. Nothing would have happened if not for the goons doing all the illegal work for him.
