• CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Really? When was tge last time our leaders were like “We have a problem, let’s listen to what the actually smart people have to say and act on that”?

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      In the 80s scientists discovered that ozone layer has a growing hole caused by CFCs. All UN members signed the Montreal protocol designed to protect the ozone layer. It has been healing all this time and right now the problem is pretty much solved.

      Another good example is year 2000 problem. Computer scientists outlined the problem, got the financing for that and solved it with almost zero issues.

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          Yes because nobody was smart enough to horde all power and money and deny anybody else from changing things.

          Yes probably in a thousands years we still have rich assholes who control everything. But they hadn’t in idiocracy

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            Yes because nobody was smart enough to horde all power and money and deny anybody else from changing things.

            We don’t know enough of the world of Idiocracy to draw such conclusions. We don’t know who owns that giant store, the TV stations or the appartment buildings.

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    I want to enjoy Idiocracy, but there’s this undercurrent of eugenics in there that I’m not ever so fond of…

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      It’s the comedic premise of the movie, it’s not like it perpetuates the racist notions that were the real problem with pseudoscience like eugenics.

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      It’s a completely absurdist theme. The people insisting it reflects reality in any way are the ones that bother me.

      Still, it’s a simple movie with simple jokes. The kind of thing maybe worth watching once, and not worth thinking about.

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        It only bothers me when people are hung up on the genetics aspect.

        People (broadly statistically) tend to grow up to be similar to thier parents in terms of values. Not so much because of DNA, but because of how they were raised.

        The premise holds even if you toss away anything to do with biology. (Which you should)

        Idiots tend to have idiot kids because they raised them in idiot households, and idiots tend to have more kids.

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          Idiots tend to have idiot kids because they raised them in idiot households

          Random people are usually way smarter than people give them credit. Idiots are an exception, though I have no idea how hey are distributed.

          and idiots tend to have more kids

          That’s completely unfundamented idea that was created to support some racist movements. One would think that movie made a clear enough point to convince anybody this is bullshit…

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    In Idiocracy, everybody is dumb. This is unrealistic, as in the past, now, and in the future, there have been, are and will be plenty of intensely intelligent people screaming the answers in our face, all while we keep fucking it up.

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    In Idiocracy, people are anti-science. If you were to read a book, they would call you a nerd and kill you.

    In real life, people believe in pseudo-science. Everyone read books, and believes that to be the ultimate truth and everybody else is wrong.

    In Idiocracy, you don’t have flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers. You have dumb people proud of not knowing stuff.

    So there is still a difference.

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      You are vastly over estimating literacy rates. And you cant really make that statement on any grounds as nothing of the like was discussed.

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    It really isn’t, The President in Idiocracy cared about his people and listened to the smartest man in the world.

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    Alright so first of all let’s get this out of the way parody ≠ documentary.

    Second of all it doesn’t parody how stupid people will have more sex and stupid genetics will spread too much, that’s just a throwaway joke at the begining of the movie. What really leads there is smart people working on stupid things to please the masses of stupid people and not doing anything to stop stupid people from, well acting stupid. Which is what causes societies to delcine in general. Stupid people don’t produce stupid offspring in general, but a society where smart people are too short-sighted to care about the decline of their society will inevitably lead to stupid people taking over for good.

    People are right to be concerned about that joke, but only because stupid people, not realizing it’s about them will take it as an arguement for eugenics. But that shouldn’t be a problem as long as smart people keep them in check.

    Look up Carlo M. Cipolla and the The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity for some amazing insight.

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      Yeah bro just a throwaway line at the beginning. And the end. And several times in between. And never provides anything otherwise, let alone related to your “alternative” reading.

      Why the hell can’t it just be a funny, problematic, 2000’s comedy? Why does everyone that jokes that it’s a parody or documentary or whatever need to write academic statements of purpose on how “ackshually, if you read The Basic Laws if Human Stupidity by Carlo M. Cipolla (2 L’s), you will clearly see the hidden intent behind Luke Wilson’s magnum opus 🤓”