• Komodo Rodeo@lemmy.world
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      I saw that too, but somehow despite Pink Coat Woman’s close proximity, I wasn’t able to observe any muzzle flashes and figure out definitively which ICE agent fired the first shot.

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        The guy that shot him(black beanie toward the backl pushed away the guy that was taking his gun(gray jacket). He could clearly see he had a gun, so he knew it was okay to murder him. As you see all they have to do is tweet a picture of the gun and the cult believes he deserved to be executed.

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          Spot on, some of the new footage, particularly the slowed, zoomed and stabilized version of the events recorded by Pink Coat Woman are particularly clear. Grey Coat ICE disarmed Mr. Pretty just seconds before Black Beanie ICE shot him in the back. This shit is unforgivable.

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          Not sure if there was intent, another possibility is that he pulled the trigger accidentally (you can see the recoil on his arm) and freaked out and just unloaded on him. It’s in the video of the lady walking on the sidewalk across from this POV

          Edit: watching the annotated video again makes ne wonder if it was intentional (guy dies not seem to be freaking out), not sure why would he think he’d gain from killing him https://files.catbox.moe/k3frh0.mp4 (content warning)

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    Wow people are just getting killed by the state in broad daylight without any consequence. Americans do live killing.

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    We need all the angles. Even this one it is hard to tell what is going on.

    It’s clear this dude didn’t deserve to die though. These fuckers are out here doing exactly what they are meant to do.

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      Yeah. Unfortunately I’ve seen about 4 angles and this is the best as far as I can tell.

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          Yeah, it’s about as good as this one, but I think you see the victims hands more and more clearly see one of the ICE goons take the handgun away (from his belt, not his hands) before the shots.

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            It almost looks like the guy in gray accidentally fired a shot into the ground when he walked away that set the others off .

            Edit: which obviously means jack shit in relation to the entire killing.

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                Can you ID a particular officer (coat colour), and the version of the incident that you saw this? I’ve been going through the multiple versions trying to figure out who first discharged their firearm but aren’t seeing what you are.

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                  He’s the one running toward the camera in the link I had at around the 21 seconds mark before running off to the right of the camera-man. He’s wearing a light gray coat and a similar colored baseball cap.

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        The closest for sure, you can see her moving back and forth on the sidewalk across the street in the first video filmed from inside the donut shop (woman in pink coat).

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    Thank god for the fucking Internet and these heros recording this shit. If it were the 90s or earlier, we’d be at the behest of legacy media and the government for our information.

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      That’s why it’s full of tankies believing the pre-internet communist propaganda from the old government, over actual people accounts of all the crimes and atrocities USSR has committed.

      The only reason we know about all the Nazi atrocities, is because they lost.

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    His hands were out in front of his head, clasped together. This directly contradicts the DHS statement that he reached for a weapon.

    Not that that’s surprising, but it needs to be said.

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      Had this guy actually reached for his gun and shot all the ice agents, then the US government would claim his innocence because at this point their just have to lie pathologically

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        Nevermind the fact that it would take superhuman skill to shoot six armed attackers before one or more of them blow you away…

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              Because that’s who you give that kind of order to. A guy you KNOW will follow through. Can’t count on one of these new Apes, they might freeze up or shoot themselves. This is a job for a professional.

              And murderer Jonathan Ross was a veteran professional as well.

              A pattern is emerging. The new guys like fists and feet, the vets still like their guns. They’ve been itching to use them, and it’s finally looking like it’s Safeties Off.

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            At point blank range, it doesn’t matter. Especially if they’re standing on all sides of you, and if they’re wearing plate carriers thus reducing their target surface forcing you take an extra second or two to aim…

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    At some point this is going to lead to some form of civil war if it keeps escalating like this.

    Well I hope the brown shirts get what they deserve.

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      It has already started. They are attacking us. They are actively killing citizens in the streets. Trump’s paramilitary police are an invasion force and their target is dissenting Americans.

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        I get that but there is no armed civil resistance towards the government yet. It is still at the stage where the citizens are resisting peacefully.

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        Are they currently just focused in Minneapolis or are they active in other cities? How big is their force we need an analysis on that

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          Minnesota is definitely where they are behaving the worst at the moment. Trump has a tiny little hate boner for Walz. They have goons in several states though Minneapolis is clearly where they are drawing the most attention. ICE is still not a very big force, but they have been told that they can act with impunity. There’s some thousands of them, but this is a nation of over 300 million.

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            Interesting so really all it takes is people showing up and doing every day to get things done together for a least a couple hours for us all to win (not protesting). Lots to do and not just straightforward easy win but more of us that are the stronger we all are

            Let’s get more people engaged, and doing with all of us!! They are bullying Minnesota since they see it as a small state of people that have not gone against them much but together we are the strongest eagles!! We ain’t letting them mess with any states people.

            I got a couple thousands of people in my neighborhood and city active and connected. We alert each other and growing over here so we can do it everywhere too

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    You’ll notice the thing that set them off was he got between them and the woman they were trying to beat up.

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    Looks like the “reported” holstered gun was removed by an ICE thug and then the victim was shot in the back in cold blood. I can’t wait to see how DHS spins this and all the Republican bootlickers gobble it down. We’re a diseased society on the verge of destruction and we deserve it. May every ICE scumbag live in fear for the rest of their lives!

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      I too am super curious to see how the bootlickers spin this one. The car incident was complete bullshit but you can put blinders on and read it as a heat of the moment situation. This is clearly and unambiguously a public execution. They shot a man who was pinned to the ground in the back like ten times.

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        “Democrat leadership rhetoric caused that man’s death for feeling like he needed to be at a riot” or “it was ai” maybe both.

        Maybe they will make a fake ai video.

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    This is the third angle that I’ve seen of the killing, and this is looking more and more like a disarmament panic, or feigned disarmament panic to me. If Mr. Pretti lost control of his holstered/stowed pistol during the dogpile, it may have served as an excuse by ICE agents to shoot him.

    If he was in fact carrying a licensed conceal carry pistol (as posted by LEO account press releases) during his arrest, it seems to have come loose due to no fault of his own - note both hands clenched against pavement immediately before murder by ICE. This is, of course, assuming that the information/photograph of the pistol aren’t police disinformation.

    At the 0:53 mark of the footage taken from the other side of the street (Pink Coat Woman: https://lemmy.world/post/42107309), one of the agents can be heard yelling “He’s got a gun! Gun!” about 1 second before one shot is heard, followed by three shots in quick succession, followed by one of them mag-dumping Mr. Pretti. This happens as he is nearly prone, with two different agents on their knee(s) attempting to wrestle him under control/arrest him, several milling around in various armed states (pepper stray canisters or pistols holstered/drawn), on his knees and forearms with his hands clenched closed as mentioned previously. This is a tragic illustration of the poor training standards of ICE recruits, as at least one of them appears to have either panicked and misfired (poor trigger discipline), or reacted to the declaration of an uncontrolled firearm by immediately executing Mr. Pretti.

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      You forgot the whole part about ICE assaulting a women, Mr. Pretti catching her, and then trying to help her as she is slipping on the ground, and then the same ICE shithead, sprays Mr. Pretti with pepper spray while still trying to help the assaulted woman up. None of it was justified. Mr. Pretti made no antagonistic movements prior to being assaulted and executed by ICE.

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        I’m not forgetting it at all, just commenting on the situation more immediately applicable to the pigs murdering him. Make of that what you will, but I’m not boosting ICE or going to bat trying to justify their killing.

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      I think it’s pretty clear that Mr. Pretti was disarmed by the agent in the gray coat. You clearly see both of his hands EMPTY as he goes into the pile, then you see him with a handgun pulling away just before the shots. It does not appear that he reached for a holster at any point.

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        I’ve taken a close look at the footage available, and although he’s one of several ICE agents with a pistol unholstered, his doesn’t appear to be the one initially discharged (at least from what I’m able to observe).

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      This is the third angle that I’ve seen of the killing, and this is looking more and more like a disarmament panic

      I’ve watch multiple angles and to me it looks like fascism

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    Here it’s very clearly visible that grey-jacket, red/grey-cap guy has the victim’s gun secured already. At 0:39.

    That must also be why he leaves the altercation, to get the gun away. Theoretically a good plan.

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      Watch his hands. They are consistently up by his head, shielding his face. He never reached in any way until the gun was already gone, by which time I believe he’s already reaching for what is presumably the first gunshot.

      This is an execution. He never posed any risk. He was actively defending his face from getting pushed into the ground.

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        Pretti never gave any indication he intended to shoot back. He was complying when they disarmed and executed him.

        No need to alter reality.