The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
He is partially incorrect in his claim about the 2024 primary. We had a primary in 2024 (not a legitimate one IMHO) but the 2024 primary does demonstrate liberals preferring MAGA over leftists.
The uncommitted movement had ~25 percent of the vote in Michigan which was a swing state the Dems couldn’t beat Trump without. The Dems chose to ignore this warning and continue funding the genocide.
The liberals screaming at leftist over the last 18 months stems from leftists having solidarity with the Muslim community in Michigan when the Democratic party abandoned them for their Isreal donors.
Also even if every third party vote had gone to Kamala in every swing state she still would have lost to Trump.
The contension stems partly from liberals unwillingness to think critically about the failures of the democratic party. Preferring party loyalty and rejecting the wishes of the voters over accepting any constructive criticism from the left.
You want to respond by defending the democrats. Perhaps saying people who voted third-party actually support Trump. Any excuse you make for the democrats loss proves the exact point I’m making.
You’ll attack the left even when they’re offering constructive feedback and even when not listening to your left flank means MAGA winning. In other words, you would rather MAGA win than the left.
Judging by the fact they they hid the autopsy for years, it was because of the genocide and milquetoast neoliberal policies that she lost, not what’s between her legs.
I debated bringing this up in my original comment, but there were rumors the reason Nancy Pelosi started pushing so hard for Biden to drop out was; she found out that the internal Democratic Party polling showed Biden losing by hundreds of electoral college votes.
Regardless, your response proves my point maybe better than any other response I’ve received here on Lemmy. As soon as any legitimate criticism pops up you throw black women under the bus rather than letting a leftist win, rather than admit a leftist has a point.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
It doesn’t. It just shows you’re unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you’re either literally 15 or you’re mentally 15.
Give me a break. You know exactly where I’m going with this and so you cut it off and call me a teenager? Have a bit of self respect and admit I’m about to prove my point.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?
That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.
When a political party is bleeding voters like this it’s a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn’t a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.
Thanks for proving my point.
Thanks for proving mine.
You went back six years to try to prove your point.
The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
I hate to point out the obvious flaw in your argument but who was the leftist who was denied a chance in the 2024 primary?
He is partially incorrect in his claim about the 2024 primary. We had a primary in 2024 (not a legitimate one IMHO) but the 2024 primary does demonstrate liberals preferring MAGA over leftists.
The uncommitted movement had ~25 percent of the vote in Michigan which was a swing state the Dems couldn’t beat Trump without. The Dems chose to ignore this warning and continue funding the genocide.
The liberals screaming at leftist over the last 18 months stems from leftists having solidarity with the Muslim community in Michigan when the Democratic party abandoned them for their Isreal donors.
Also even if every third party vote had gone to Kamala in every swing state she still would have lost to Trump.
The contension stems partly from liberals unwillingness to think critically about the failures of the democratic party. Preferring party loyalty and rejecting the wishes of the voters over accepting any constructive criticism from the left.
You want to respond by defending the democrats. Perhaps saying people who voted third-party actually support Trump. Any excuse you make for the democrats loss proves the exact point I’m making.
You’ll attack the left even when they’re offering constructive feedback and even when not listening to your left flank means MAGA winning. In other words, you would rather MAGA win than the left.
Third party has never changed a modern election it’s the people who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman that swung things.
Biden still could have comfortably won over Trump again.
Judging by the fact they they hid the autopsy for years, it was because of the genocide and milquetoast neoliberal policies that she lost, not what’s between her legs.
I debated bringing this up in my original comment, but there were rumors the reason Nancy Pelosi started pushing so hard for Biden to drop out was; she found out that the internal Democratic Party polling showed Biden losing by hundreds of electoral college votes.
Regardless, your response proves my point maybe better than any other response I’ve received here on Lemmy. As soon as any legitimate criticism pops up you throw black women under the bus rather than letting a leftist win, rather than admit a leftist has a point.
Okay, will someone who disagrees with me explain to this guy how primaries work an incumbent is running? He’s not going to believe anything I say.
My question is who was the leftist?
All you have to do is answer with a name.
Politicians with serious political careers don’t challenge an incumbent in a primary bud.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
You’re almost there. What made Joe Biden the “safe choice”?
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What’s crazy is you think this makes you clever.
It doesn’t. It just shows you’re unreasonable and incapable of understanding context or nuance. In other words, you’re either literally 15 or you’re mentally 15.
Give me a break. You know exactly where I’m going with this and so you cut it off and call me a teenager? Have a bit of self respect and admit I’m about to prove my point.
All you’re doing is slowly making the left-wing version of a dishonest Charlie Kirk “point.”
Nothing dishonest about it. You know exactly what made Joe Biden the “safe” candidate.
You prefer Charlie Kirk and MAGA to leftists.
No, I just think you’re as dishonest a hack as he was.
And yet you’re too chicken shit to admit what makes Joe Biden the “safe” candidate.
And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.
Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!
They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!
That would mean Joe Biden won the 2020 general election without them.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
When was the last leftist president in office?
Never.
Because like I said:
FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?
So eighty one years ago?
When was the last law passed by a leftist federally?
When was the last time our Democratic party centrist leaders sold us out or did something against the interest of the voters? A day or so.
Betrayal is even worse than getting no laws past.
Anyways when was the last law passed by a leftist federally?
I’ll keep asking until you answer.
Getting laws passed is pretty much a cornerstone of being a political party though.
Mass internment fan?
That would mean Joe Biden won without them in the 2020 general election. Is that actually what you believe? Because that would mean yet another political bloc abandoned the Democratic candidate in the 2024 general election.
When a political party is bleeding voters like this it’s a problem with the party. If you support the party digging in their heels while this is happening you are part of the problem.
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I wonder what the overlap between them and green voters are.
That depends entirely on what point a liberal is trying to make.