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So 7 of the 10 are training, 1 is the cameras and the other 2 are just saying follow the law so great demands.
Apology accepted
Which as you pointed out earlier is also due to the bill they voted through so not really helping case.
The funding bill specified none of that, nor would it. (Although, yeah it should have. Crushing norms like trump does means a ridiculous escalation in bureaucracy unless we want to leave it open like that.)
Again not at all relevant with newsom who isn’t running in the midterms. If anything hes the one hurting the cause as he is terrible and keeps being in the public eye as the current top dem in the wings
Yeah. Wait, what cause?
That sounds about right, actually. Will anyone punish the corrupt nazis in office though?
- doesn’t know who Newsom is other than his meming
I can read. So. Good one.
- claims to like AOC but worries she cant win because she’s a woman
Has that not occurred to you? Here. You should probably realize that other people are involved in deciding your country’s future. Take your time.
- complains that everyone else is just being cynically picky for taking issue with candidates actual policy positions
Cynically picky? Ha! What bullshit.
- claims the title of liberal for “”““progressives””“”
What
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Glad you love the status quo! Because you’re going to get more of it then.
If you actually think [Democratic Representative] is a fascist, then you’re an idiot. Do they make bad decisions? Sometimes! Are they supporting capitalism? Usually! Is it better than republican actual-no-shit-irl fascism? YES. 10,000%. But if you’re stuck so far up your own ism that you can’t be arsed to defeat republicans, and there’s not another party for 3000 miles then - settle in. You’ll get more of this.
Which is what we told you 18 months ago and you shit on it then too. And the ensuing carnage hasn’t changed your mind at all.
33·2 days agoAll of whom are up for reelection in November.
Let’s just treat him like he knows a goddamned thing. Sure.
Just means they haven’t marinated long enough in the propaganda.
Dems continue to drop the ball in all aspects of governing again and again.
There are a lot of failures I wish they hadn’t failed at, yes. Tom Daschle in particular, but that’s a different thread.
They do not future plan for anyone but their donors.
Disagree. Their donors have no idea how they’ll fuck up the next thing either.
And again you’re ignoring the part they don’t even want to do anything about ice except training and body cameras
This is not about ICE but since we should all benefit from my ability to search, The full list of Democrats’ demands is as follows:
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1. Targeted enforcement
DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant. End indiscriminate arrests and improve warrant procedures and standards. Require verification that a person is not a US citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
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2. No masks
Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing masks and other face coverings.
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3. Require ID
Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name. Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.
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4. Protect sensitive locations
Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, childcare facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.
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5. Stop racial profiling
Prohibit DHS officers from conducting stops, questioning and searches based on an individual’s presence at certain locations, their job, their spoken language and accent, or their race or ethnicity.
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6. Uphold use-of-force standards
Place into law a reasonable use-of-force policy, expand training and require certification of officers. In the case of an incident, the officer must be removed from the field until an investigation is concluded.
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7. Ensure state and local coordination and oversight
Preserve the ability of state and local jurisdictions to investigate and prosecute potential crimes and use-of-excessive-force incidents. Require that evidence is preserved and shared with jurisdictions. Require the consent of states and localities to conduct large-scale operations outside of targeted immigration enforcement.
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8. Build safeguards into the system
Make clear that all buildings where people are detained must abide by the same basic detention standards that require immediate access to a person’s attorney to prevent citizen arrests or detention. Allow states to sue the DHS for violations of all requirements. Prohibit limitations on member visits to ICE facilities regardless of how those facilities are funded.
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9. Body cameras for accountability, not tracking
Require use of body-worn cameras when interacting with the public and mandate requirements for the storage and access of footage. Prohibit tracking, creating or maintaining databases of individuals participating in first amendment activities.
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10. No paramilitary police
Regulate and standardize the type of uniforms and equipment DHS officers employ during enforcement operations to bring them in line with civil enforcement.
Now i’m no mathimagician but i’m pretty sure 10 is more than two so we’ll point out that (a) you’re wrong again, and (b) if we had gotten 2% more support in 2024 there would be none of this fucked up ICE-as-secret-police bullshit.
I appreciate the Democrats have problems, and let’s fucking fix them because doing nothing (that’s all other parties except the republicans plus your various -isms that don’t vote due to reasons) will not stop the republicans from creating our imminent destruction.
Of course we said that in 2024 and instead of any support just got this mix of hate for colonialism (? okay) and non-stop shrieking about genocide so here we are with fascism on full display and really no end in sight because The Perfect Candidate doesn’t exist and the so-called-left won’t even agree as to what day it is.
Midterms in eight months. Howabout we don’t fuck it up again?
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Oh man you’re right I’d forgotten that.
I don’t think superdelegates are to prevent popular candidates (see Obama), I think they’re to get a comprehensible slate of candidates to focus on issues and themes and not on turning the Iowa caucus into something bizarre by claiming to be a Democrat who just happens to demand we all live in the sea or something.
Again, republicans don’t have this problem, and they’re well known to fund ‘spoiler candidates’ with the intention of wrecking momentum or message or other campaign aspects.
Is that supposed to show one side is fighting against it? Dems doing nothing to plan or prevent gop from implementing their will on the country, just like failure to codify roe v wade into law.
?? What?
You’re blaming everyone that isn’t worshipping the dnc, including voters.
Wrong again, but it was a bonus question so you won’t lose any points.
Which has stopped what? Even now the dems aren’t fighting to remove or stop ice just increase training and more cameras.
Has stopped everything that isn’t specifically declared critical to national security or budgeted separately in the Big Ugly Boondoggle bill.
Yeah it’d be great if they could just blink and nod and poof ICE is gone, trillions go to healthcare, education, and the environment, but I guess they must not want to blink and nod. That’s most likely it and no other reasons.
It’s so nice to see a sane take on that. Thank you.
Should I take this to mean that you’ve selected Newsom before he or anybody else has actually announced?
Oh no, I don’t know anything about him other than his trump trolling. I just see people already losing their minds at the thought that he could be the nominee.
I think AOC would be a decent pick to fill that lane, even if I have my apprehensions, but she hasn’t announced yet either.
I’d love to see an AOC candidacy. But given America’s obvious problem with voting for women I dunno how it would play out. I guess it depends if we all survive that far.
Are you new here?
Yeah yeah just fell off the turnip truck. Back home liberal means progressive and leftist is between sophmore and junior in college. As it has done for literally generations. Other countries, though, use it differently.
He also wanted to fistfight the Teamsters guy in a committee meeting. He’s special.
This is not an upgrade.
Bernie lost because people didn’t want to vote for him because of a variety of reasons but not because the primary wasn’t “fair”. If more people voted for him he would have won.
Uh oh
(I agree, although DWS really screwed up everything including discussing this)
Cynthia McKinney was elected as a Democrat in Georgia around that time. iirc she was looking at a presidential run. You might have seen her on here yesterday for her latest tweet. (Spoiler: super bigot)
Which is to say, if you open the field to everyone in the country you will spend a certain amount of time winnowing the contenders from the stunt candidates. Republicans don’t do that because they’re all the same candidate. So they spend almost zero time (since Perot) dealing with that.
Superdelegates aren’t great, but an alternative to achieve that aim of not having to platform every trust fund kid with a boot on their head might be good.
Weird how neither parties run on that
Well, one party ran on the first part multiple times making a big push for it that took up a full year in two administrations, and actually made the second one law, so. Get a clue?
Wow, amazing how you’re only point is blaming the voters.
I’m blaming the non-voters. Keep up.
Again, both parties were okay with that. There wasn’t one who would stop it
The DHS is still shut down. Do you actually know how anything works? Because it’d be great if you could do that.
You mean the glorious struggle?