I’ll never forget a comment I read in a green text somewhere about transmasc: “Welcome to the Suck, brother. Everyone has already forgotten about you.”
I think it was supposed to be a jab about how society doesnt care about men. But society is run by men so it would seem its our own damn fault.
We’re invisible for being transgender men, not for just being men. But because we don’t fit a specific viewpoint and cannot be used advantageously by transphobes unless it is about us “mutilating” our bodies, and thus we are highly invisible in trans and queer spaces alike. That’s what that meme meant. We also don’t get a ton of representation in media or even in studies.
uhh, there’s a lot of good and valid discourse about cis men and their perceptions and opinions here. and i think that comment was probably about the cis or cis-passing male experience
but there’s some unique aspects to being transmasc that suck and feel comparable to being bisexual, with both of us kind of being invisible to society (frequently, anyways; not claiming this applies 100% of the time)
it seems like there’s a lower bar to passing for trans men (on average, again); this is, generally speaking, a positive in a transphobic society. but it can also be very lonely and isolating, in ways. it’s hard to be really known and a lot of people don’t even know trans men exist
like i’ve thought about this, and there’s just not a good way to advertise that you’re a trans man. if i’m flying the trans flag colors, people think i’m a pre-transition transfem LOL we don’t have a cohesive and meme-y culture of cat ears and thigh highs, there’s nothing i can wear that’s like “oh that guy’s trans(masc)”
i mean, i guess i could take my shirt off, but i don’t even think most people would clock me 💀
anyways i’m just kind of rambling now. but i thought it would be good to have some actual transmasc input on this post lol
If you could unilaterally embed something into the cultural consciousness as being distinctively transmasc culture (similar on scale and arbitrariness as cat ears and programming socks), what would you pick?
I found your comparison to bisexuality interesting, given that some of the things that I’ve seen posited as being bi culture are super arbitrary in a way that makes it abundantly clear that the only true motif of bi culture is desperately trying to claim whatever we can as bi culture, to give ourselves a sense of relevance and being seen (aside from dual wielding daggers, that is. That’s obviously bi culture)
Actually trans women receive more attention by being sexualized and fetichized by men, or with memes about how she’s seen by men, just misoginy, not “good attention” and every woman goes through this
It’s definitely weird. I’ve never felt ignored, overlooked, etc. Doctors listen to me. Professionals in my circles take my words as professional. Women don’t get that same experience. I can’t fathom how men can say they’re persecuted with a straight face unless they literally brought it on themselves through arguably intentional means.
There’s a lot of expectations of men - a lot of them self-inflicted - and if you don’t feel you can live up to them it sucks.
But you’re right about the other stuff. The number of times I’ve watched a mediocre man get credit for rephrasing an idea that a woman said not ten seconds earlier would be a lot of nickels.
I’ll never forget a comment I read in a green text somewhere about transmasc: “Welcome to the Suck, brother. Everyone has already forgotten about you.”
I think it was supposed to be a jab about how society doesnt care about men. But society is run by men so it would seem its our own damn fault.
We’re invisible for being transgender men, not for just being men. But because we don’t fit a specific viewpoint and cannot be used advantageously by transphobes unless it is about us “mutilating” our bodies, and thus we are highly invisible in trans and queer spaces alike. That’s what that meme meant. We also don’t get a ton of representation in media or even in studies.
uhh, there’s a lot of good and valid discourse about cis men and their perceptions and opinions here. and i think that comment was probably about the cis or cis-passing male experience
but there’s some unique aspects to being transmasc that suck and feel comparable to being bisexual, with both of us kind of being invisible to society (frequently, anyways; not claiming this applies 100% of the time)
it seems like there’s a lower bar to passing for trans men (on average, again); this is, generally speaking, a positive in a transphobic society. but it can also be very lonely and isolating, in ways. it’s hard to be really known and a lot of people don’t even know trans men exist
like i’ve thought about this, and there’s just not a good way to advertise that you’re a trans man. if i’m flying the trans flag colors, people think i’m a pre-transition transfem LOL we don’t have a cohesive and meme-y culture of cat ears and thigh highs, there’s nothing i can wear that’s like “oh that guy’s trans(masc)”
i mean, i guess i could take my shirt off, but i don’t even think most people would clock me 💀
anyways i’m just kind of rambling now. but i thought it would be good to have some actual transmasc input on this post lol
If you could unilaterally embed something into the cultural consciousness as being distinctively transmasc culture (similar on scale and arbitrariness as cat ears and programming socks), what would you pick?
I found your comparison to bisexuality interesting, given that some of the things that I’ve seen posited as being bi culture are super arbitrary in a way that makes it abundantly clear that the only true motif of bi culture is desperately trying to claim whatever we can as bi culture, to give ourselves a sense of relevance and being seen (aside from dual wielding daggers, that is. That’s obviously bi culture)
lmfao god, i’m like the worst guy to ask, my style leans heavily pink/flowery/femme. maybe a symbol one could get tattoed on them?
but i’m thinking about the way my transmasc (masc) friends and how they dress and all of it is just… ugh LOL i hate typical men’s fashion
Actually trans women receive more attention by being sexualized and fetichized by men, or with memes about how she’s seen by men, just misoginy, not “good attention” and every woman goes through this
Okay but this comment is about trans men. Its not about women at all.
For some men, it’s definitely self-inflicted. The rest of us have to deal with their bullshit.
It’s definitely weird. I’ve never felt ignored, overlooked, etc. Doctors listen to me. Professionals in my circles take my words as professional. Women don’t get that same experience. I can’t fathom how men can say they’re persecuted with a straight face unless they literally brought it on themselves through arguably intentional means.
There’s a lot of expectations of men - a lot of them self-inflicted - and if you don’t feel you can live up to them it sucks.
But you’re right about the other stuff. The number of times I’ve watched a mediocre man get credit for rephrasing an idea that a woman said not ten seconds earlier would be a lot of nickels.