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ICE Out for Good vigils and rallies are being tracked online by Indivisible, the group behind the No Kings protests
More than a thousand protests are planned across the US this Saturday and Sunday after an ICE agent killed US citizen Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis this week.
“This weekend, people all over are coming together not just to mourn the lives lost to ICE violence, but to confront a pattern of harm that has torn families apart and terrorized our communities,” said Leah Greenberg, co-executive director of Indivisible, an organizer of “ICE Out for Good Weekend of Action”.
There’s a lot between holding a sign and shooting a gun. The reason nothing will ever happen is because you refuse to see that.
for anyone who is actually wondering what they could do, in between holding a sign and shooting a gun, i have a few suggestions. many outdated, but it might get you thinking the right direction
Industry has grown around this type of sabatoge. Now specific people are in charge of preventing these problems, and will be removed swiftly if everything they touch disintigrates.
I do like this doc, although I wish someone would update it to our cause. We need something geared to sabotaging ice and the right wing… but with an emphasis on safety and anonymity.
Frankly I can’t think of any movement or resitance in history that didn’t involve either a protest or violence at some point.
You refuse to accept that protesting builds movements to the point where they can create large action. Certainly was part of the civil rights movement.
I definently support the people actually going to and organizing protesters a whole lot more than someone bitching online that this isn’t enough. Go ahead be the change you want to see
The civil rights movement was successful because of the economic violence of the Montgomery bus boycott which went on for over a year. If they tried today’s method of a few hours on a random Saturday they would still be protesting.
I see zero momentum. There is absolutely no difference between an ice protest and no kings. It’s gonna be the same people. Probably fewer. Same end result—nothing.
You can be frank until you’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t change reality. You just cannot accept that this country is done, despite the overwhelming evidence.
And, when someone ruins your good vibes with reality—you lash out and clutch your useless picket sign! The tactics of the civil rights movement worked THEN. They will not work NOW.
You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran. Mass protests directly led to multiple regime changes around the world in just the last 6 months.
The only ones who don’t want you to protest are those in power. Hence why places with less well enshrined rights to freedom of speech and freedom of assembly keep passing laws to try to ban effective methods of protest
That was not the United States. Focus.
So…you’re saying that protest which has worked and is currently to effect change in other countries, and which has worked previously in the United States, can’t possibly work right now in the United States as we enter an election year?
Enjoy licking those boots!
How many people died in the protests in Iran?
What is the argument that you’re trying to make? First it’s “protest isn’t effective” then it’s “protest doesn’t work anymore” then it’s “protest doesn’t work anymore in the US” and now it seems to be “but protest can be slightly dangerous sometimes?” Your arguments are disingenuous at best.
If protest wasn’t effective the governments being protested wouldn’t be attempting to make the protests illegal nor killing protestors and civilians.
I’m saying different tactics work in different places against different governments.
Having protests banned isn’t a sign of it being effective. Having a protest accomplish the goal of the protest is the sign it is working.
What is the goal/point of No Kings and 5051? Did they accomplish the goal? Even slightly?
Absolutely not. And so they are ineffective. The answer is not more of the same.
General strikes and Civil disobedience won’t work now?
Kinda running out of options that don’t involve guns bud.
Oh gotcha you’re just not even wanting to try anything at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
Are they happening now? Or is everyone having another “We Don’t Like Trump Convention” for a weekend before they clean everything up nicely and go home in time to be at work on Monday?
Are you doing anything other than judging others online? You are welcome to organize something.
But in context of the conversation they said that the methods used during the civil rights movement wouldn’t work now. Those methods were general strike and civil disobedience. Hence why I was asking why the commentator thought they wouldn’t work today
Fucking Americans. “Why isn’t somebody else doing this for us?”
Ah so you’re not even American and are basically only familiar with what you get from the news or lemmy.
No I don’t expect you to come here and fix things. Better?
Also totally ignoring what the original context was. So cool
No one is general striking. All to afraid to loose health care.
Again, you only see picket signs vs bullets.
I must not be willing to try ANYTHING because I disagree with you. Despite me saying otherwise this whole time.
Like I said, clutch you picket signs and block your ears.
Have the day you fought for 💋
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You’re both right, but seems like you’re both just trying to prove the other wrong. Keep protesting, keep showing up, but imagine how much more effective it would be if those protesters were armed. Openly armed. You don’t even need to bring ammo, just make it clear that the left - that most Americans can fight too.
We’re probably not voting our way out of this, we’ll just vote it back into the shadows. ICE has been around for decades, surveillance state for decades, broken police system for centuries (?), liberal/neoliberal economy for decades, our government more and more a plutocracy for decades which has held the monopoly on violence.
Solutions via option A or B would be great, but the threat of option C must be on the table. If you’re holding a gun and I’m holding a sign, then we aren’t negotiating on equal footing.
Truthfully I feel like I gave them the opportunity several times to state their alternatives. They refused and just said it’s impossible
You never asked me for another option. You told me there were no other options. You refuse to entertain anything. I’m not a troll just because I disagree with you.
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Nothing can happen until the November election.
No Kings needs to organize and flip every red seat they can. It seems likely the House will flip. It’s POSSIBLE (but unlikely) the Senate will flip.
You’re not going to vote your way out of fascism. They’ll just refuse to seat any Democrat that gets elected. They did that for a month already and faced zero consequences for doing so.
November is too long of a wait
That’s the way politics works, you get another election and vote them out.
No kings is dead. No ICE (or whatever) is gonna last a month. By October, there will be some sort of gestapo set up to disrupt elections. The post office already removed incoming timestamps for one reason—mail in vote suppression.
The future is crystal clear—I dunno how you fools keep talking about “next election” like this is going to ever end.
Not sure what makes you think No Kings and 5051 are dead, they’re still going and will only get stronger as we get closer to election season.
There will be a next election because elections are run at the state and local levels, the feds can’t stop it even if they wanted to.
So what specifically came from No Kings that we can call a victory?
Organizing 7 million people to protest on the same day was a huge feat.
To put that in perspective, the margin between Trump and Harris was only 2 million.
And those seven Million people met and then went home… So what I’m asking for is…. what happened? Nothing. What were the gains? None.
Because as far as I can tell, Trump—the self-proclaimed president of Venezuela—is going to take over another country pretty soon… Pretty sure that makes him a king.
still, you first.
I’m leaving the country. Yall have fun.
excellent position between peaceful protest and bullets you chose there
I think it is. Because I know what is likely to happen…or, not happen.