You ever been to Europe? Lots of borders you can cross without even realizing it. It’s anti-human to allow goods and services to traverse borders but not people.
Counterpoint, Europe has its own borders and you can’t cross those if you’re not from inside of the EU. And even that is a specific subset of EU countries.
Akin to inter-provincial/across state line travel. I think a lot of people outside of Europe just view it the same as a provincial setup.
But not from outside the EU. Europe in total is still smaller than the US.
If you want an accurate comparison, you have to imagine the EU as one country and the members as states, or the US as a union and the US states as countries.
If you look at it like that, the border policy is basically the same.
Those are all still separate countries though. I don’t see how their size relative to the US is relevant. The countries have agreements amongst themselves that include an open border policy. There is no ‘natural’ reason why such agreements can’t be expanded, or implemented elsewhere.
Within the EU sure, because they’re “softer” boarders because of the way it’s structured. Closer to crossing state lines in the US. They don’t allow free movement with non-EU nations.
They don’t allow free movement with non-EU nations.
The cool thing is, we have a recent of example of an EU nation going from open borders to closed borders. Remember Brexit? Remember how much of a disaster that was and continues to be?
Yeah, I am sorry, but I struggle to see the real harm in abolishing borders.
And please don’t say crime. Americans, that have lived there before do just as many of them as immigrants (normalized for income) and pretending otherwise would be delusional and racist.
Crime mainly flows out of the US not into it. US citizens are some of the worst reactionary criminal hate filled losers on the planet. If we needed borders it would be to keep Americans out of other countries for their safety.
Legitimately asking here,
Would this mean you’d like anyone to come into America without going through a process? Like just allowing the people to walk in and out?
Or is it you want to reform the border?
You ever been to Europe? Lots of borders you can cross without even realizing it. It’s anti-human to allow goods and services to traverse borders but not people.
Counterpoint, Europe has its own borders and you can’t cross those if you’re not from inside of the EU. And even that is a specific subset of EU countries.
Akin to inter-provincial/across state line travel. I think a lot of people outside of Europe just view it the same as a provincial setup.
They’ve got agreements between these various countries. No reason we can’t expand that list of countries.
But not from outside the EU. Europe in total is still smaller than the US.
If you want an accurate comparison, you have to imagine the EU as one country and the members as states, or the US as a union and the US states as countries.
If you look at it like that, the border policy is basically the same.
Those are all still separate countries though. I don’t see how their size relative to the US is relevant. The countries have agreements amongst themselves that include an open border policy. There is no ‘natural’ reason why such agreements can’t be expanded, or implemented elsewhere.
Not disagreeing with you there. Just that the argument of comparison to the US is lacking.
Why does size matter? What exactly changes? If every country joined the EU. What then?
Within the EU sure, because they’re “softer” boarders because of the way it’s structured. Closer to crossing state lines in the US. They don’t allow free movement with non-EU nations.
It sounds like you’re saying “of course you can have open borders if you have open borders”. No kidding.
More “of course you can have open borders if you can pick and choose which borders”
The cool thing is, we have a recent of example of an EU nation going from open borders to closed borders. Remember Brexit? Remember how much of a disaster that was and continues to be?
Yeah, I am sorry, but I struggle to see the real harm in abolishing borders.
And please don’t say crime. Americans, that have lived there before do just as many of them as immigrants (normalized for income) and pretending otherwise would be delusional and racist.
Crime mainly flows out of the US not into it. US citizens are some of the worst reactionary criminal hate filled losers on the planet. If we needed borders it would be to keep Americans out of other countries for their safety.
Yes.
What are you so afraid of?