Sounds a lot like we need another “All you had to do was pay us enough to live” moment
or what, motherfuckers?
Or what? They’ll drive local energy prices even higher?
This is still pretty much bleeding edge technology, who’s to say that the way we are currently doing thing is the most optional one? I’d rather they stop building these massive data centers and instead have their researchers focus on making these models run on consumer level hardware since throwing more and more compute power at the problem is not sustainable in the long run.
AI is, sure. But data centers have been around for literally decades. There’s nothing bleeding edge about it.
We know how to run data centers efficiently and less wastefully. It’s just more expensive so these fucks don’t want to do it.
They could power themselves entirely from solar and wind. They won’t. They could use closed loop cooling. They won’t. Because those options are more expensive and AI isn’t profitable yet (if ever).
They could do like what you’re saying and turn their models into locally run things on the end user device. They won’t because the only way they’re making money right now at all is on the mass data they collect from it.
They don’t want the risk of actually having to design, build and market products to consumers. They want to sell a fungible commodity that someone else makes a product with, they get to make money regardless of the success or failure of any given product.
Ultimately, they’re not really interested in any of this because they think that it’s a useful technology. They’re only interested because the business model of building a bunch of data centers and selling the computer is simple and low risk. They wouldn’t be putting any money in to it if not for that business model.
Most of the leadership at these companies made their names in the cloud services and web hosting boom. They’re sticking to what they know and what has been the only really big success for the industry in the past decade.
Well well, that reminds me of the US car industry where they thought bigger and bigger motors and cars were better. And American consumers still think so. When all else in the world knows that that’s not sustainable in the long run.
Nope.
It’s not just that we don’t care about any AI race, it’s that we’re also over American exceptionalism too.
We don’t want to be ahead of Chinese AI, we want to stop Chinese AI from ruining the environment.
The executive accused the media of spreading “misinformation and outright lies,” arguing that “in the age of social media and 24/7 news, myths take hold faster than ever before.”
Dude, you are literally trying to build the lying pipe, that makes the lying more conversational, and this is your argument. You are holding 40 bloody knives and yelling that THEY are sending a dude with a knife if we don’t act right now… You are in the hot dog suit.
These people should be elected to the “Sun council for exceptional beings”. Very prestigious… Very wow… It’s where we shoot you into the sun.
Have any of these AI CEOs, politicians or tech bros that try to rally behind a nationalistic “gotta win the AI race against China” ever explained what is actually consequential about this race in their view for anyone but themselves? Like other than your personal company’s outlook, your stock portfolio or your political influence/military usage over what is, best case scenario (being generous), a valuable and useful advanced tool for some types of work… what difference does it make to the average internet user if their AI chat bots or agents are developed in or run on data centers in the US or China?
Or more realistically, if they have the largest market share in the world, because there’s no lose state that means that the US AI companies can’t still exist… unless the AI companies keep pissing people off enough for the public to actually just shut down every data center.
It seems pretty clear that the only real motivation is an unimpeded return on their massive investments. China having market share in AI applications does not, inherently, threaten anyone’s safety any more than if they have a minority share in the market.
Using rational reasoning like you are doing here exposes the deeper meaning of this
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Amazon wants communities to stop »defying« its AI data centers, which is a fascinating way to describe democracy when democracy becomes inconvenient. Apparently locals should provide the land, water, power and infrastructure, then politely shut up while one of the world’s richest corporations decides what »progress« looks like.
The clear sense of entitlement coming from these companies is appalling. And the history of American politics shows us that when the whims of the wealthy entitled are denied the go fucking nuts. These people are going to want revenge, it’s going to be brutal, and we need to be ready for it.
history of American politics
Myths based on nothing
Not sure what you’re getting at, friend. Wealthy/conservative backlash is not a myth. One example is the rise of the Tea Party movement in terrified reaction to the election of Obama, largely funded by the conservative billionaire Koch brothers; and that led directly to the rise of Trump. Another is the backlash to Clinton’s election, which drove billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife so profoundly, droolingly mad as to fund “The Arkansas Project”, spending millions to find something, anything, that would destroy his presidency, thus feeding the rise of conservative media–which, god help us, remains a huge influence on national politics to this day.
There’s also the conservative movement’s collective pants-pissing at the rise of women’s liberation, legalized abortion, and the potential passing of the Equal Rights Amendment, which led to an enormous backlash against women from all corners of the political right that we are still dealing with today.
Backlash is real and it’s dangerous, especially on account of the innate, furious psychopathy of the rich, and the fear-addled, weak-willed minds of their conservative rank and file; there’s no telling what these nuts will do when they feel backed into a corner, but it’s always harmful to everyone else in the long run.
All of those bastards.
If your argument proves anything, it’s that backlash is dangerous when it’s funded.
If the ruling class is coherent, or is made to comply (see Putin), then the rich can squeeze everything from us
that backlash is dangerous when it’s funded
That is largely my point, yes. The people trying to put datacenters in our neighborhoods are very, very rich. We ordinary people can stop this, but we need to be ready to continue the fight when they hit us back.
Its oligarch logic. Democracy is foul and needs to die because democracy means Bezos has one vote, the same as any barista or construction worker, which is utterly ridiculous. He should be in charge, of course. So stop defying him.
It’s why they buy legislators and city council members. And presidents.
It’s the american dream, stop resisting!
Yes, unironically they should. Otherwise, a scary basilisk will eat them
Please, I BEG of You, LET us REPLACE your Jobs!
-Matt Garman!
The tech industry has fully lost its plot.
It never had one, those companies are complicit in genocide, war crimes, news manipulation and part of imperialism since two decades, so destroying the earth is like a side hustle.
I mean wikileaks documents in 2012 showed that google were intentionally involved in the proxy war of Syria, this was lead by western governments co operated with islamist terrorist to start a civil war.
Julian assange wrote an article in 2014 warning everyone about google.
Honestly, 2 decades is charitable, more like since computing was first invented, in the 1940s
Insane. They have gone completely insane. I am one of the people who say Machine Learning and LLMs are a good technology, and that the amount of ressources used by the common ChatGPT-User is not worth writing home about (as long as they aren’t generating slop videos, which are using remarkable amounts of ressources for the arguably crappy results), but what these people are doing has nothing to do with anything even remotely rational. All of this is a financial desaster waiting to happen, just for militaries and spy agencies to scoop up what has been built to turn it against all of us.
So this guy is claiming we’re listening to misinformation while simultaneously hiding behind NDAs regarding data centers.
You’re referring to case of an entire town council that got caught being binded by NDAs, right?
How cam those superseed the duties abd obligations elected officials have towards their constituents?
It’s not just one. It’s standard for data centers. NDAs regarding water, electricity, and general operations.
Some, the city council calls it a warehouse and then the residents find out later it’s a data center.
That should be a crime. An electes official bound by a privately signed document? That’s rich.
This gentleman can eat a dick.
He can eat a dildo cause he ain’t worth a dick
“Guys, shut up and just do what I’m saying!”
Incels that were just in the right place at the right time to get rich.
