• Deceptichum@quokk.auOPM
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    8 days ago

    Yup capitalism is a zero sum game. It’s why I hate people pushing UBI as a solution.

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        Because like I just said is a zero sum game.

        Capitalism can’t have a closed system of just taxing it from the rich and giving it back to the rich through buying from them.

        That wealth is stolen from the periphery countries, who slave away for our quality of life.

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          That wealth is stolen from the periphery countries, who slave away for our quality of life.

          Capitalism has to go, but the vast majority of the proletariat in developed countries see only pennies on the dollar in ‘gains’ from the proletariat in developing countries being exploited currently; and even the overall situation of lopsided wealth distribution is more the function of how long the exploitation has been going on for rather than the effect of current exploitation of the labor market.

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              Specific suggestions? UBI is a specific suggestions that moves left. Site it’s still “right”, but it’s left of the current situation.

              Again specific suggestions?

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                  That’s not a specific action, that’s vague and unactionable.

                  I need an example of an action, something a human (or group of humans) can do today or tomorrow or this month or this year, or a bill or proposition, that can be agreed upon and acted upon. It also needs quantifiable metrics so that success is measurable, and not just vibes-based.

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                    The only action an individual can do is mutual aid and agitate, educate, organise.

                    There is no bill, proposition, or vote that will bring about the required change. It is not quantifiable, you can’t go I only need to change 100 peoples mind and we will have fixed the issue. Life is not that easy.

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      UBI needs to be tied to an index related to the cost of living, which will result in compounding inflation (which can be a good thing, but that’s an economics argument not worth exploring). As a solution, it won’t fix anything by itself. We also need reforms like restrictions on corporate ownership of residential property, interest rate and banking restrictions, trading reform, and a progressive tax code that makes tax dodgers pay.