You already acknowledge that commandments 1-4 are things with which non-Christians in general strongly disagree.
5 - What if your father was Josef Mengele? The silence of his son is what allowed him to successfully hide in South America. Was that a good thing? Did he deserve any honor?
6 is written by the state of Texas as “Thou shall not kill.” Is killing in self defense wrong? If someone broke into your house with assault rifles and the intention of killing your children, would it be wrong to shoot at them to stop them? If a fighter jet was coming to bomb your city with a nuke, but you were able to intercept it with a missile, killing the pilot in the process, would that be wrong?
7 - In the context of the Bible, “adultery” can mean not only cheating, but also any sex outside of marriage. Tons of people do not see anything wrong with consensual sex outside of marriage.
8 - What is considered stealing? Is copying that floppy stealing? If a starving homeless orphan steals a loaf of bread from a billionaire to survive another day, is that wrong? A state may define theft however it wants. Personally, I consider the mere existence of private property as theft.
9 - If it was WW2 and Nazi officials came to your house asking if you had seen any Jews, would it be morally wrong to lie to them if you knew about some hiding in your attic?
10 - Is it wrong for workers to desire the means of production?
Every single one of the 10 commandments throws away the nuance of defining morality through critical thinking. As such, I would argue that it is incredibly immoral to follow any one of them.
Any non theist will not make sense of the first few Commandments, of course. And I don’t think you understand what a “moral baseline” is, you can’t deny filial love and responsibility because sometimes you end up with Josef Mengele as a dad, lol, you just understand that these are ideals to keep in mind that can be used for every occasion except minor cases. It’s wrong to go around killing people, but what about self defense? It’s wrong to be dishonest, but what if someone comes into your house and asks where your kids are cause they’re gonna kidnap them? I can do this too, see, but it doesn’t deny nor take away any value from the moral baseline.
The problem arises when you have no North, everything is arguable and an opinion, and one’s sense is equal to another senselessness because there’s history and herstory or whatever other silly ways of saying “reality (moral reality included) is a matter of perspective, nothing is fundamentally true”. Then people just get lost.
Nobody is lost. People lead lives that make sense to them. It’s not your job or any government’s job to impose your beliefs onto others. Because we have different philosophies and beliefs, separation of church and state is a thing.
Some people follow the Nobel Eightfold Path. Some follow the Ten Precepts of Taoism. Some follow the Seven Tenants of the Satanic Temple. Some follow the 52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singh. No matter how strongly you feel about your beliefs, nothing makes them any more special than the beliefs of other people. They feel just as strongly about theirs. People having different norths as you call it isn’t a bad thing. That’s called diversity. There’s only a problem when people are bigots that don’t accept others for who they are and feel the need to “fix” them. Whether it’s militant Christianity or militant atheism, we don’t need that. Keep it to yourself. Countless societies have flourished without your 10 commandments.
It’s not a feeling, I got to monotheism through textual analysis and thought. Things simply are more consistent with a framework that accepts a sole mind behind it all, a Creator. I admit I could be mistaken but this is something that other people with beliefs and I could discuss, and in earnest and good faith see which is more internally consistent and fitting reality than the others, right? They can be ranked from more sensible and fitting to less, right? Because no, not everything is “equally as valid”, that’s some Western postmodernist nonsense that ends up with people being confused, intellectually lazy and panicky fence sitters. Tolerance doesn’t mean “your nonsense is equal to my sense”, it means “I won’t kill you for being a commie/brown”, for instance (again, neither Christianity [because the message of Jesus is buried under nonsense that people actually believe in] nor Enlightenment values helped that but whatever). My book says that “to you your system and to me mine”, but I still believe mine is better, ofc, my sense is not equal to nonsense or absence.
All of it. The entire thing is complete garbage.
You already acknowledge that commandments 1-4 are things with which non-Christians in general strongly disagree.
5 - What if your father was Josef Mengele? The silence of his son is what allowed him to successfully hide in South America. Was that a good thing? Did he deserve any honor?
6 is written by the state of Texas as “Thou shall not kill.” Is killing in self defense wrong? If someone broke into your house with assault rifles and the intention of killing your children, would it be wrong to shoot at them to stop them? If a fighter jet was coming to bomb your city with a nuke, but you were able to intercept it with a missile, killing the pilot in the process, would that be wrong?
7 - In the context of the Bible, “adultery” can mean not only cheating, but also any sex outside of marriage. Tons of people do not see anything wrong with consensual sex outside of marriage.
8 - What is considered stealing? Is copying that floppy stealing? If a starving homeless orphan steals a loaf of bread from a billionaire to survive another day, is that wrong? A state may define theft however it wants. Personally, I consider the mere existence of private property as theft.
9 - If it was WW2 and Nazi officials came to your house asking if you had seen any Jews, would it be morally wrong to lie to them if you knew about some hiding in your attic?
10 - Is it wrong for workers to desire the means of production?
Every single one of the 10 commandments throws away the nuance of defining morality through critical thinking. As such, I would argue that it is incredibly immoral to follow any one of them.
Any non theist will not make sense of the first few Commandments, of course. And I don’t think you understand what a “moral baseline” is, you can’t deny filial love and responsibility because sometimes you end up with Josef Mengele as a dad, lol, you just understand that these are ideals to keep in mind that can be used for every occasion except minor cases. It’s wrong to go around killing people, but what about self defense? It’s wrong to be dishonest, but what if someone comes into your house and asks where your kids are cause they’re gonna kidnap them? I can do this too, see, but it doesn’t deny nor take away any value from the moral baseline.
The problem arises when you have no North, everything is arguable and an opinion, and one’s sense is equal to another senselessness because there’s history and herstory or whatever other silly ways of saying “reality (moral reality included) is a matter of perspective, nothing is fundamentally true”. Then people just get lost.
Nobody is lost. People lead lives that make sense to them. It’s not your job or any government’s job to impose your beliefs onto others. Because we have different philosophies and beliefs, separation of church and state is a thing.
Some people follow the Nobel Eightfold Path. Some follow the Ten Precepts of Taoism. Some follow the Seven Tenants of the Satanic Temple. Some follow the 52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singh. No matter how strongly you feel about your beliefs, nothing makes them any more special than the beliefs of other people. They feel just as strongly about theirs. People having different norths as you call it isn’t a bad thing. That’s called diversity. There’s only a problem when people are bigots that don’t accept others for who they are and feel the need to “fix” them. Whether it’s militant Christianity or militant atheism, we don’t need that. Keep it to yourself. Countless societies have flourished without your 10 commandments.
It’s not a feeling, I got to monotheism through textual analysis and thought. Things simply are more consistent with a framework that accepts a sole mind behind it all, a Creator. I admit I could be mistaken but this is something that other people with beliefs and I could discuss, and in earnest and good faith see which is more internally consistent and fitting reality than the others, right? They can be ranked from more sensible and fitting to less, right? Because no, not everything is “equally as valid”, that’s some Western postmodernist nonsense that ends up with people being confused, intellectually lazy and panicky fence sitters. Tolerance doesn’t mean “your nonsense is equal to my sense”, it means “I won’t kill you for being a commie/brown”, for instance (again, neither Christianity [because the message of Jesus is buried under nonsense that people actually believe in] nor Enlightenment values helped that but whatever). My book says that “to you your system and to me mine”, but I still believe mine is better, ofc, my sense is not equal to nonsense or absence.