• Manjushri@piefed.social
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    23 days ago

    “He absolutely destroyed a family,” Judd said. “Our homicide detectives are distraught. When you go in there, there is a beautiful Christmas tree with lots of Christmas presents under the tree, just like the nuclear family should be … and it ends up this way.”

    Yeah, so maybe, just maybe the drug using alcoholic with anger management issues should not have had a gun. But no, we can’t restrict gun ownership, can we. Some old guys a about 250 years ago said we shouldn’t do that. So, sorry folks. All you can do is get your own gun and hope you’re fast enough to shoot any crazy fucks who come at you before they can shoot you. It’s the American way.

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      22 days ago

      the guys 250 years ago also said something about “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…” as if to qualify their following statement.

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        Liberals love to focus on that line. At the time “well regulated” meant “well equipped”. Militias were just farmers called up to fight in case of an emergency. The founders wanted a populace armed with military quality weapons in place of a permanent professional army in case Europe decided to invade. You can argue whether that’s still relevant today, but that’s what they meant when they wrote it. They go into greater detail in the federalist papers.

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          22 days ago

          Military quality weapons? Then where are the civilian tanks and fighter jets? Hell, even just automatic weapons are out of our hands.

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            22 days ago

            Well this may shock you, but none of those things existed in 1791 and were not accounted for in the second amendment. It really should have been updated, but doing things the right way is inconvenient so instead various governments have found back doors to water it down as they have with most of the bill of rights.

            Also, from a purely pedantic perspective, private ownership of tanks and (afaik) jet fighters is perfectly legal if you have the insane amount of money you’d need to buy one. The same is true of automatic weapons if you go to the trouble and expense to get an FFL.

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              Also, from a purely pedantic perspective, private ownership of tanks and (afaik) jet fighters is perfectly legal if you have the insane amount of money you’d need to buy one. The same is true of automatic weapons if you go to the trouble and expense to get an FFL.

              Yes, technically legal but fraught with regulation, which is what people are asking for with gun control.

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                22 days ago

                I don’t think there’s any regulations on tanks except driving them on public roads. But, again, jthe amendment says “shall not be infringed”. That should either be respected or changed. When you start adding “except” to the bill rights you’re opening the floodgates to chisel away at all of them.

                “Congress shall make no law establishing an establishment of religion” except Christianity because Jesus is Lord

                “The right of the people peaceably to assemble” unless they’re criticizing the ruling class

                “no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized” unless the cop has a really good hunch

                Most of these could be sold as public safety, just like the “excepts” we’ve stapled onto the second amendment. We can’t allow the government to treat the bill.of rights as a list of suggestions. If one of them is no longer relevant, follow the process and change it.

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                  They’ve already been chiseling away at all of the Bill of Rights for decades, yet for some reason they don’t touch guns. Why is that?