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That there’s still some hope that discourse around opposing MAGA won’t fully go down the MAGA hole on the other end of the spectrum as well. Because if that happens, we might dig ourselves out of one hole, while digging ourselves into another, and comment chains like my reply started really has me fearing that that is the path were headed down.
Thank you for your reasoned reply. I think I understand now what you were getting at.
The problem you were running into – for what’s worth; I recognize now that this was probably not what you meant to do – was, in a word, “Squirrel!” Or to put it another way, allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. In a roomful of wholesale liars, i.e. MAGA, who are literally making up “fake facts” faster than I can engage with them, I do not worry about minor details.
You’re right, they do love to seize on minor inaccuracies! But in the context of the wider picture, even this too is a lie, a dishonesty intended to distract.
So when you bring your own well-intentioned efforts to dissecting the minutiae in pursuit of perfect accuracy, as in this thread, at that point you are fighting their battle for them, which is to detract by any means fair or foul from basic acknowledgement that 1) a traffic stop which ends in an extrajudicial death sentence on the spot is not normal, 2) that it is 100% murder, and 3) that this extrajudicial murder on behalf of the government is itself proof that we as a country have entered into fascism.
To be clear, it is any refusal to concede this set of three reasonable conclusions, and not your edits, nor the factual picture still emerging, with which I find great fault.
Thank you again for explaining your position; I very much appreciate it.
EDITED to add that in rereading I see that I failed to express that I do very much value your commitment to factuality: there is no substitute, and if we are ever to find common ground again it must start there, which means that in a way you’re defending the most important thing of all. That got lost in my effort to remain on topic. But I do highly value real facts, which are thin on the ground anymore, and I wanted to make sure that high personal standard on your part got pointed out as well.
Hell, I probably owe you an apology, because I honestly believed you were posting in defense of the murder and you thought you were doing anything but. I guess we can leave it as lessons learned on both sides: you’ll watch your Squirrel!-ing and I’ll read a bit more carefully before replying to these things. Hope you have a great night, and thank you again.
Thank you for your reasoned reply. I think I understand now what you were getting at.
The problem you were running into – for what’s worth; I recognize now that this was probably not what you meant to do – was, in a word, “Squirrel!” Or to put it another way, allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. In a roomful of wholesale liars, i.e. MAGA, who are literally making up “fake facts” faster than I can engage with them, I do not worry about minor details.
You’re right, they do love to seize on minor inaccuracies! But in the context of the wider picture, even this too is a lie, a dishonesty intended to distract.
So when you bring your own well-intentioned efforts to dissecting the minutiae in pursuit of perfect accuracy, as in this thread, at that point you are fighting their battle for them, which is to detract by any means fair or foul from basic acknowledgement that 1) a traffic stop which ends in an extrajudicial death sentence on the spot is not normal, 2) that it is 100% murder, and 3) that this extrajudicial murder on behalf of the government is itself proof that we as a country have entered into fascism.
To be clear, it is any refusal to concede this set of three reasonable conclusions, and not your edits, nor the factual picture still emerging, with which I find great fault.
Thank you again for explaining your position; I very much appreciate it.
EDITED to add that in rereading I see that I failed to express that I do very much value your commitment to factuality: there is no substitute, and if we are ever to find common ground again it must start there, which means that in a way you’re defending the most important thing of all. That got lost in my effort to remain on topic. But I do highly value real facts, which are thin on the ground anymore, and I wanted to make sure that high personal standard on your part got pointed out as well.
Thanks, I also appreciate your attempt at reaching out as well in the message before this one.
I can also see rationale behind your Squirrel explanation. I’ll keep that in mind in the future.
And I do 100% agree with all 3 of your points, there is no dispute there.
Hell, I probably owe you an apology, because I honestly believed you were posting in defense of the murder and you thought you were doing anything but. I guess we can leave it as lessons learned on both sides: you’ll watch your Squirrel!-ing and I’ll read a bit more carefully before replying to these things. Hope you have a great night, and thank you again.