• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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    7 days ago

    Just to extend the point, everyone claiming that the accusations that the PRC was censoring TikTok content was a crazy conspiracy theory should be rethinking their position. There’s no way these suppression features were suddenly added to TikTok overnight, it’s been built that way for years. The new owners just added new keywords to the blocklist.

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    Ah, if only rules were impartially enforced once enacted. Having every self-proclaimed Zionist banned for hate speech would be hilarious.

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      Apparently it takes context into account. A seemingly ‘positive’ phase like ‘proud zionist’ is allowed, but criticism in any shape is not. They’re always the victims, even when crushing starving Palestinians under bulldozer blades.

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      I agree - if they ban the word “bad”, just say “ungood”, it’s the same thing, really.

    • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      No.

      Use the real words. Censoring our language is antithetical to free speech. When you “use different words,” you get idiotic things like “unalived.” When we are using language as-intended, we should not be censored or be forced to adopt a new phrase.

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        is your goal to stop the genocide or free speech absolutism?
        i like both but im will to tailor my messages to have a better impact.
        at this point if you go out with a sign that says “down with zionists!” a lot of people will not listen past that point.
        words like “unalived” has help people bypass ai sentiment analysis and get important messages out there.
        everyone should move to federated platforms with free-er speech, but that’s not how you can actually reach most people.

        tl;dr is the message less important than the verbiage?

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              That’s why the solution is to destroy those platforms, not capitulate to their censorship.

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                using the platform to spread your message with alternative words is not capitulating… it’s subverting.
                get over yourself.
                i’d love to “destroy” tiktok too but i don’t see any solution coming from you… just hyperbole

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                  And here comes “use the machine to destroy the machine” again. I swear Lemmy is nothing but the same 3 arguments over and over ad infinitum.

                  Anyway, you’re not owning Walmart by spending $60 there on a che guevera shirt and a RATM album on vinyl. They’re actually quite happy you did that.

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      Mainstream Zionism was controversial precisely because Palestine was basically always the goal, which many secular Jews who dominated discussion in the European diaspora did not find appealing.

      Israel was created because the British Empire in WW1 felt their domestic support was flagging, and needed to ‘shore up’ war fervor by appealing to the Jewish minority that had been left ‘untapped’, so to speak, by prior efforts. By painting themselves as a ‘defender’ of a ‘Jewish homeland’, they could argue to the British Jewish minority that the Entente was the alliance of great powers ‘on the side of’ Jews, unlike the dastardly CENTRAL POWERS (and, to be fair, the Central Powers did have a somewhat greater antisemitism problem than France and Britain did).

      Not only that, but they were already planning for the post-war situation - carving up the Ottoman Empire could not be done entirely directly, as international norms had shifted away from normalizing direct colonies - ‘mandates’ for eventually independent states were the norm in this case. A Pan-Arab polity, a dream of many at the time, would have been a major power which Britain would then need to ‘compete’ with on the international stage. So what is one to do? Support a vulnerable minority regime with a history of being unfairly persecuted (all great PR points for when you need to ‘justify’ it to your own population) right in the most inconvenient place for a Pan-Arab polity - where Egypt and North Africa connect to the rest of the Middle East. This, the British estimated, would also get them a convenient ally (as Israel, in this thinking, would be dependent on British aid) which would help them retain control of the Suez Canal in Egypt if things started to get dicey there.

      They also used this strategy when creating Syria (filled with ethnic minorities) and Iraq (split by religious lines) in the hopes of never having to deal with the pan-Arab polity they pinky-promised the Arab Revolt would TOTALLY be able to establish if they helped the Brits against the Ottoman Empire in WW1.

      The post-WW2 establishment of Israel was little more than de jure recognizing what had de facto become the case by ~25 years of Jewish immigration - there was a large Jewish population in Palestine, and they didn’t get along with the Palestinians.