The rest of us. … Not so much.

  • JaymesRS@piefed.world
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    2 months ago

    To be fair, I’ve bet a bunch of misogynistic republican women too. I’ve had family claim women are too emotional to be in government

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      2 months ago

      You sure can be a bigot against your own group. There are definitely plenty of misogynist women out there.

      It’s rather sad to see. Especially in an older woman. Because I get being raised in a society that devalues women, and starting to believe it. I think a lot of women have to acknowledge this at some point, and fight against it. Even a lot of men I know, who ive had conversations with, admitted to haveing mysoginist views when younger and had to address them.

      It’s not surprising that women, too, would be affected by beliefs promoted through media and social interactions.

      When I was a young woman, I often found myself blaming other women for misogyny in men. Kinda fucked up looking back on it. But I did.

      But as I got older, even by age ~20, I realized it’s all b.s. and I was being tricked into victim blaming.

      But to be a woman of 30 or older, you should have enough life experience at that point that you know it’s all b.s. Any woman of that age has no excuse to perpetuate oppression of their own group.

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        2 months ago

        It helps that as a society a large chunk have stopped seeing anger and its derivatives as “emotions”

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    2 months ago

    Progressive women when they find out conservative women are genuinely patriarchal and uninterested in feminism

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      2 months ago

      Well. It’s tricky. They sure do like the benefits of feminism. But they deny it.

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        2 months ago

        Conservatives only believe what they experience personally so they don’t know what feminism has provided for them. They need the privilege taken away to appreciate what feminism does for them.

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          I would agree with you, except I lived in Texas for a decade, and I saw women vote against themselves multiple times.

          I saw Greg Abbott put forward one of the legislative pieces that was the basis for RvW being repealed (the 6 week “heartbeat” bill).

          Then I saw the 5th circuit support it.

          Then I saw Greg Abbott/Dan Patrick/Ken Paxton/John Cornyn/Ted Cruz get voted in again afterwards. And none of those elections can be blamed on gerrymandering, because they were all popular vote elections.

          So yeah, I just think conservative women are true believers who are willing to show up to the polls. Even if it means giving up their own rights.

          Because I do not believe that all of those conservative women are rich. They’re fucking brainwashed. And they’ll continue to be brainwashed because they’re too proud to admiy anything else. Even if they’re poor af.

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          Anti-feminist propaganda is a real thing. As a guy I like to think I’m fairly progressive but believed a lot of the hate against feminism even as an adult. The women I knew were “the good ones”.

          The thing is it was based on caricatures of feminism, outliers and extremists, and the claim that feminism is no longer necessary. I’m sure those extremists exists and we are closer to gender equality than historically but feminism has helped us all and we do need more of it.

          We had children before there was any paternity leave in the US. I must have been complaining that I wished I could spend more time with my newborn, but it was the feminist group at work who went to demand there be paternity leave, because equal is equal and paternity leave helps everyone

          • daannii@lemmy.worldOP
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            2 months ago

            The word has been branded “dirty”. I met a guy who said he supported equality between genders but wasn’t a feminist. I’m like, my dude, that’s literally the definition of feminism. It’s just wanting equality.

            He argued and argued that he wasn’t a “feminist”.
            While still claiming he supported every ideal of feminism.

            He insisted feminist were “blue hair girls with nose rings who told everyone they were bigoted and ruined video games”.

            I blame the bro culture. And specifically Asmongld. That tool.

            Invents imaginary women stereotype, and then blames the imaginary women for all his problems and why he has to be misogynist. They drove him to it. These imaginary women are the cause.

            It all just gets old real fast.

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              The problem is they were too successful at it and all too many have that as their definition of feminism. That’s all they know.

              I do think a different term might be called for, because that one is lost to many

              • daannii@lemmy.worldOP
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                2 months ago

                Someone else will just tarnish any new term. Our best bet is to just educate people what it actually means.

                Like how “communist” and “socialism” has been made into a dirty word. And let’s not forget the most recent one, “Antifa”.

                We just have to fight against it. And do our best to correct the misperceptions when we can.