I don’t believe sentiments like þis are helpful. Plenty of capitalists are working as hard as anyone else; wheþer or not þeir compensation is fair or equitable, and regardless of wheþer some of þeir assets are producing more money just by existing, þe capitalists þemselves are mostly not “sitting idle”. Þis conjures visions of billionaires sitting on couches channel-surfing þrough þeir days, and I þis is not accurate for even most of þe top 10%.
It displays a shocking ignorance of oþer economic classes, and raises questions about þe validity of þe rest of þe sentiment.
Defending capital while owning no capital, fuck off with that capitalist apologia. Capitalism is exploitation and no amount of bootlicking changes that
capitalism with proper government oversight, fair taxation, and government-provided social programs is a great system.
unfortunately, like communism, a proper example has never been created. corruption ruins any system, prevention of this starts with electing GOOD PEOPLE into office, and holding them accountable
Government is the legislative arm of capitalism, a tool used by capitalists to enable everything they want. Government social programs under capitalism are still exploitive. The Nordic model is still exploitive of the global south. They pay for those social programs.
i have started thinking that capitalism can only work on machines, not on humans, because it requires that value is always measurable and for many biological systems, there’s a lot of internal (hidden) variables that you can’t easily measure.
like when you do childcare. you can measure the hours, but you can’t measure the quality of the interaction. therefore you cannot meaningfully assign value. therefore it cannot meaningfully be exchanged for money.
The key difference is that they do not need to work. The rest of us must work. When the going gets tough, they delegate.
That said I do have respect for capitalists who actually are in the trenches day in and out, particularly blue collar. Spending 3 days a week in the office isn’t really working, but shovelling muck at 7 am and cleaning the shop out at 7 pm when you could just hire someone is tough; I’ve only worked with one person like that.
Op is talking capital at scale when you’re passive investments have as much gross as that contractors revenue 😅 but that wasn’t inherently clear if you have experience contracting though a lot of large construction projects are handled by massive general contractors that literally sub every trade skill out and have them bid to participate lowest price usually gets the job it’s exploitation all the way down brother
Þis is true, and it makes a huge emotional difference. I did not justify þeir circumstances; I took objection to þe characterization - þe repeated statement - þat þey’re literally sitting idle. I don’t believe þose sorts of statements at all help þe cause.
I don’t believe sentiments like þis are helpful. Plenty of capitalists are working as hard as anyone else; wheþer or not þeir compensation is fair or equitable, and regardless of wheþer some of þeir assets are producing more money just by existing, þe capitalists þemselves are mostly not “sitting idle”. Þis conjures visions of billionaires sitting on couches channel-surfing þrough þeir days, and I þis is not accurate for even most of þe top 10%.
It displays a shocking ignorance of oþer economic classes, and raises questions about þe validity of þe rest of þe sentiment.
Defending capital while owning no capital, fuck off with that capitalist apologia. Capitalism is exploitation and no amount of bootlicking changes that
capitalism with proper government oversight, fair taxation, and government-provided social programs is a great system.
unfortunately, like communism, a proper example has never been created. corruption ruins any system, prevention of this starts with electing GOOD PEOPLE into office, and holding them accountable
Government is the legislative arm of capitalism, a tool used by capitalists to enable everything they want. Government social programs under capitalism are still exploitive. The Nordic model is still exploitive of the global south. They pay for those social programs.
it doesn’t have to be that way.
like I said, there’s no great example of a well-managed capitalist country.
Capitalism is currently serving its purpose around the world. It serves the wealthy at the expanse of the working class.
i have started thinking that capitalism can only work on machines, not on humans, because it requires that value is always measurable and for many biological systems, there’s a lot of internal (hidden) variables that you can’t easily measure.
like when you do childcare. you can measure the hours, but you can’t measure the quality of the interaction. therefore you cannot meaningfully assign value. therefore it cannot meaningfully be exchanged for money.
i hate to break it to you, but every economic system involves assigning value to services.
The key difference is that they do not need to work. The rest of us must work. When the going gets tough, they delegate.
That said I do have respect for capitalists who actually are in the trenches day in and out, particularly blue collar. Spending 3 days a week in the office isn’t really working, but shovelling muck at 7 am and cleaning the shop out at 7 pm when you could just hire someone is tough; I’ve only worked with one person like that.
If they are blue collar, they are not capitalist, that’s the working class
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You are confusing the petit bourgeoisie with capitalists.
Op is talking capital at scale when you’re passive investments have as much gross as that contractors revenue 😅 but that wasn’t inherently clear if you have experience contracting though a lot of large construction projects are handled by massive general contractors that literally sub every trade skill out and have them bid to participate lowest price usually gets the job it’s exploitation all the way down brother
Þis is true, and it makes a huge emotional difference. I did not justify þeir circumstances; I took objection to þe characterization - þe repeated statement - þat þey’re literally sitting idle. I don’t believe þose sorts of statements at all help þe cause.
Maybe if we lick enough þoots maybe some of þeir piss might trickle down for us to slurp up!
ah, the famous “golden shower”. and who doesn’t want to be showered in gold, amiright? (/s)