• AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    In the middle of the Civil War? In a case where order had to be kept by 2000 troops at the execution because of the unrest caused by the massacres and rapes?

    I think you’re allowing your ideals to cloud a rational appraisal of the facts.

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        3 months ago

        But seem to completely blind you to the fact that while Manifest Destiny and the treatment of the Native Americans was an abomination, individual cases of prosecution (say, for individuals conclusively found to have raped women and massacred civilians) were justified.

        Were the civilians just supposed to allow themselves to be attacked?

        To bring it back into the present day, ICE and the current fascist autocracy are a crime against mankind. Does this mean it would be acceptable to go kill a bunch of Republican civilians? If your resistance overflows the bounds of military conflict and hurts the innocent, you’re guilty.

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          Gee maybe if the civilians didn’t kick the Dakota off their land, none of that would have happened.

          Does this mean it would be acceptable to go kill a bunch of Republican civilians?

          I’m not going to answer that on .world.

          A more apt example would be Hamas attacking Israel on the 7th. And I don’t condemn them.

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            3 months ago

            The government kicked the Dakota off the land. Settlers were overwhelmingly immigrants who were just settling where their government told them was allowed.

            Refusing to answer just indicates your lack of morals.

            Anyone who would advocate for the killing of civilians is no better than the people who would lock them up in camps. We’re supposed to be better than that.

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              3 months ago

              Ah yes, the innocent colonisers. The real victims here.

              I’m happy to answer, just not on an instance who are likely to silence me if I do.

              Anyone crying over dead colonisers is no different to a coloniser engaging in genocide.

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                3 months ago

                Lol. Come on. We already know plenty of colonists were the undesirables of their original countries. The poor, the criminal, the deviant, they were all shipped off as cheap labour without real knowledge or choice.

                You casting a wide net and lumping them all with the same cast is exactly the same as those idiots saying everything is the immigrants’ fault.

                People should really reflect on this “there are no innocents” militaristic bullshit.

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                  3 months ago

                  Imagine if a gang of five people breaks into your house, decides that they want to live there now, and proceeds to kill your entire family. Would you be justified in killing all five of them before they kill you, even if it then turns out that one of the robbers was there because he was held at a gunpoint and told to rob the house?

                  That’s basically the only crime committed by 36 our of 38 men killed that day.

                  The resistance were not the one who should have been punished that day. The ones planning, ordering, performing and guarding this very execution were the ones guilty of a genocide comparable to the Holocaust (well, much worse, relatively speaking). And their direct ideological descendants and followers are the ones ruling the land to this day. Seriously, fuck the founding fathers, fuck lincoln too, they should all be relegated to the same place in museums as hitler.