DNC platform is tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs. They have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years, currently 45. The last time they had 58 for less than two months they caucused with 2 independents to pass Medicaid. They would have launched a Public Option identical to Germany’s healthcare if not for one of those independents opposing it.
DNC is liberal, DNC is on our side, Vote DNC. Or, if an independent polls higher, then vote for them because at least they’re not a Republican and removing every single Republican should be our goal.
Many democrats are on our side. Historically, traditionally the DNC AKA leadership absolutely isn’t. There have been some changes in recent history. And that’s good. But till there’s enough history to plot out a new pattern of behavior. We’d be fools to treat them as if they changed.
The biggest problem with the Democratic party for decades has been that they’re serving two masters. Lip-service to the voters to try and get their neoliberal candidates in office. But legislating largely for the major donors that took over funding the party once Reagan broke the unions. The DNC talks the talk. But atm are unable to walk the walk. I hope that changes soon. With each death and retirement, things look a little better for them.
Absolutely possible, though, less likely. He at least seems to show some introspection and ability to learn. But you’re not wrong to be wary of him considering his past stances.
Fetterman was always shit. Long before he was elected. Still better than memeht oz. But yes, AOC has significantly pushed back against neoliberal leadership. Not perfect by any means. But some small hope for future improvement as more like her get elected.
AOC and Mamdani are leadership? Did anyone tell them or the DNC that?
The closest we’re getting to a shell game here is painting with a broad brush and lumping them all into one shell. You’re never going to get the old guard out if you continue to make enemies of the ones actually working to do it.
The current batch believes in ending PACs, taxing the rich, and expanding healthcare. Most importantly, perhaps, is they replace Republicans who would actively harm us all. Why don’t you want those things?
I think it’s ridiculous and harmful to ignore the lack of rhetoric lining up with our interests over the last 16 years as well as who they endorse and more importantly, who they don’t. It’s not remotely difficult to believe they’re complicit when they don’t stand up for civil rights for trans people, don’t call the republicans what they actually are, capitulate early for no reason on the shutdown, seriously spare us the hand-wringing, that’s all they ever offer now days. You don’t have to have power to say the right thing, and they don’t, simple as that.
The DNC has had multiple opportunities to tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs during my lifetime and they have not done so once. I don’t believe them anymore when they say it’s their platform.
Being anti-Republican isn’t enough anymore. This shit will keep happening for as long as we allow private ownership of the means of production.
The quiet part is there wasn’t a plan to tax the rich for another decade or two when they thought shit would actually hit the fan. Shit hit the fan much sooner than they hoped, as this was an issue they were going to leave the next generation to handle. It’s more an issue of the baby boomers having had control of the DNC for decades.
Business was booming during the Obama years; why did it matter to the rich people in Congress if the rest of us had to hustle more? That’s the real reason they didn’t tax the rich when they could have, well that and they were getting tons of funding from the big businesses.
The pro-corporate Dem plans went up in flames quite a lot when Hillary was not elected. Now that shit got worse much sooner than they hoped, they’re in a rock and a hard place because they still don’t want to tax their rich buddies but the voters are actually pushing to vote them out if they keep doing nothing.
The last legislation I can remember is the pro act, which failed. There have been progressive executive orders, progressive agency moves in the executive, progressive judges appointed, but all of this was destroyed by sleeper agent dinos. I’m also not remotely naive enough to believe that Manchin, Sinema, and Fetterman are the only ones. Legacy fossils like Dick Durbin was literally the leader and he betrayed us recently upon retirement. They’re largely career-minded capitalists through and through with few exceptions, the rotating villain shtick is fucking old. We’re dying, it’s not enough.
forgave $186 Billion of student loans despite constant pushback from Republican AGs and courts
increased audits for the rich, which payed for itself and more
allowed over-the-counter birth control to hit the markets
pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions, commuting 2500+ sentences
awarded $286 million for schools student mental health programs
replaced more federal vehicle fleets with all electric
expanded solar and wind power across the nation
drafted new anti-redlining predatory mortgage regulations which went into effect in January
a crackdown on hidden fees from service providers, ticket sellers, and banks
forced Chinese companies to properly report SEC Filings in order to remain publicly tradeable
expanded less carbon intensive farming practices in the USA
expanded nature conservation and national parks more than any past president, including $4 Billion for the preservation of the shrinking Colorado River
cut federal funding for career training programs which trap their students in more debt relative to their post-graduation earnings
brokered a peace deal in the Congo
strengthened alliance with Japan and South Korea over countering potential threats from China and North Korea
funded medical research for things like cancer, countering the previous cuts by Republicans
helped Class-A railroad workers to have industry-wide paid sick leave, albeit after he undercut their strike he still aided them in getting all of their demands in the following months
literally penned the first and then only AI oversight and regulation with his AI Executive Order
investigated grocery store price gouging and blocked mergers such as Krogers-Albertsons
The Respect for Marriage Act which protects gay marriage
protected LGBT+ Service Members and Veterans
signed multiple executive orders protecting lgbt+ throughout the federal government including “prevent and combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation” and “advance equality for LGBTQI+ individuals”
appointed the first openly LGBTQI+ Cabinet Secretary, White House Press Secretary, and White House Communications Director, the two first openly transgender people to ever be confirmed by the U.S. Senate, and the first out lesbian to achieve the rank of Ambassador.
this list goes on, and Biden wasn’t even particularly powerful given his only senate majority was 47 DNC and 3 Independents with VP tiebreaker, and only for 2 years.
Brother, I literally said there have been progressive executive orders and progressive agency moves in the second sentence and virtually all this is executive shit. The only thing I see from congress is the respect for marriage act, which was put in place as a wall to prevent backflow of civil rights that the Supreme court granted in Obergefell v Hodges. You may as well give credit to Neil Gorsuch in your effort to thank Democrats in Congress for writing the opinion that gave them the courage to act on something they should have done during the Clinton era.
You can’t complain that a party with between 45 and 48 senators isn’t passing enough legislation. They literally don’t have the votes to pass legislation unless all of the stars align and Republicans forget to filibuster. By your logic you’re giving Republicans credit for not blocking that particular piece.
Some of what I mentioned was a part of the massive Inflation Reduction Act which did a lot more than reduce inflation.
I certainly can when my criticism isn’t that they’re not passing shit they don’t have the numbers for, but rather that they don’t stand for anything that isn’t already in the public mandate. Idk how many times it needs to be mentioned, apparently more times than I have patience for.
they have absolutely no chance intention of pulling any of it off
I corrected this slightly, but you’re right. They know that none of it is actually going to get done, and they have the excuses already lined up: not enough votes, obstruction, filibuster, parliamentarian, etc. etc. etc.
It’s the same reason some billionaires insist that they support higher taxation on themselves, because they know it is never going to happen.
And also, itd be great if senators like Bernie, Warren and others, actually called out their “peers” who are obviously blocking progress.
I think my two Senators: Kaine, and Warner are playing a shell game where they go as corporate as they can and still give the appearance of resistance.
And yet I ha e to vote for them until there is a viable alternative. Its just so frustrating the lack of transparency.
Honestly, I think voting for them isn’t even enough. We have to promote them. We have to outwardly support them and not talk shit about them online or in public, or else they will lose to a Republican and we’ll be all that much worse off.
I mean, depends on your definition of “talking shit” is. If you would describe what I said as “talking sbit” I think that makes the party way too inwardly focused, and almost “cult of personality” like we see from the republicans.
The good thing about the democratic party is the wide tent and diversity of strategies. We need to be more transparent and proove ourselves since we dont (alway) have millionaire and billionaire funding.
I would not slander Democrats and still encourage voting, but to take a different stance, I cant exactly enourage Palestinians to vote for a candidate that actively promoted the genocide of their people. So its tricky, and open primaries and diqlog really clarify all that.
What do you even mean? I did vote. And just because someone feels ok voting foe someone doesnt mean others do. Are you saying all muslims are the same? Wow.
Edit to be clear, I went out and knocked doors for that election too (2024), but I refused to campaign explicitely for the higher ups, and focused on local candidates I actually believed in. This drives interest up the ticket.
It was suspicious how many accounts claiming to be left-leaning all of a sudden in like, July 2024 decided to suddenly buy the lies the GOP had been selling for years that Biden was old and senile just because he has a stutter.
The DNC does need to have better primaries though. Which means people PARTICIPATING in them. But also not allowing people like Bloomberg to buy their way in. To actually HOLD primaries like they didn’t for Biden’s incumbent campaign.
Donald has the same amount of power that Clinton, Obama, and Biden had.
The problem isn’t a lack of power. It’s their predilection to enrich themselves at the expense of their constituents. The only difference is Donald isn’t offering shitty excuses like Dems do.
Totally. Genocide Joe achieved an economy that has my 80 year-old parents driving for DoorDash in a car they borrow from me, so his economy won’t render them homeless.
Man, you must have been a Maga until the Epstein files came out if you really believe all that. I normally try to bring reason and facts to every argument but I think this might be a tried and true “turtles all the way down” moment.
I hate partisans of both team colors, and I think it is objectively false to call Biden ‘great’ in any context. I wish he’d spent half as much time making sure Americans can eat and put a roof over his head as he did keeping his son out prison.
The Dems had control for a few months in 2011, and that was when they passed the ACA. That was the only point in my lifetime they controlled the government.
The last time before that was 1961-1969. Which included such legislation as the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act, though in sure you can find plenty more that was passed.
Not to mention that the Dems have absolutely been discussing progressive legislation. It’s failed to pass, passed and then been vetoed, or even at times been passed and then struck down by conservative courts.
In 2003 they banned campaign funding from PACs instead allowing only a maximum from individuals, but in 2007-2010 the SCOTUS shut it down then declared it unconstitutional.
The Inflation Reduction Act also contained a ton of good stuff not even related to Inflation.
I’m sorry that you think tens of millions of americans don’t deserve any medical care, but keep in mind they had to pass the watered down version due to Independent Joe Leiberman being the 60th vote needed to bypass the Republican Fillibuster.
DNC have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years and now the ICE has more funding than most militaries. If you want change, vote out the Republicans, which almost always means vote DNC.
DNC platform is tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs. They have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years, currently 45. The last time they had 58 for less than two months they caucused with 2 independents to pass Medicaid. They would have launched a Public Option identical to Germany’s healthcare if not for one of those independents opposing it.
DNC is liberal, DNC is on our side, Vote DNC. Or, if an independent polls higher, then vote for them because at least they’re not a Republican and removing every single Republican should be our goal.
Many democrats are on our side. Historically, traditionally the DNC AKA leadership absolutely isn’t. There have been some changes in recent history. And that’s good. But till there’s enough history to plot out a new pattern of behavior. We’d be fools to treat them as if they changed.
The biggest problem with the Democratic party for decades has been that they’re serving two masters. Lip-service to the voters to try and get their neoliberal candidates in office. But legislating largely for the major donors that took over funding the party once Reagan broke the unions. The DNC talks the talk. But atm are unable to walk the walk. I hope that changes soon. With each death and retirement, things look a little better for them.
Yeah, like three of them.
And the rest are fighting harder to stop Democrats who actually are on our side than they are against fascists: people like Mamdani and Platner.
Yep, but thankfully it looks like Mamdani and Platner might be changing the equation. Fingers crossed.
Platner could easily be Fetterman v2.
Absolutely possible, though, less likely. He at least seems to show some introspection and ability to learn. But you’re not wrong to be wary of him considering his past stances.
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No one said they were. It’s a start. Not the end game.
Like AOC and Fetterman?
Fetterman was always shit. Long before he was elected. Still better than memeht oz. But yes, AOC has significantly pushed back against neoliberal leadership. Not perfect by any means. But some small hope for future improvement as more like her get elected.
I really hope you’re not comparing AOC to Fetterman.
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Everyone does. AOC and Mamdani literally are marching with us. It’s largely leadership that keeps anything from getting done or changing. Blame them.
we are? leadership is the dnc.
I agree. We largely agree. So I’m not sure what the disagreement is.
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AOC and Mamdani are leadership? Did anyone tell them or the DNC that?
The closest we’re getting to a shell game here is painting with a broad brush and lumping them all into one shell. You’re never going to get the old guard out if you continue to make enemies of the ones actually working to do it.
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I was. Literally what I was talking about in the post you replied to before this. Did you reply to the wrong person?
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The DNC does have a new Chairman.
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The current batch believes in ending PACs, taxing the rich, and expanding healthcare. Most importantly, perhaps, is they replace Republicans who would actively harm us all. Why don’t you want those things?
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They had 58 senate seats 16 years ago for 2 months. They had 53 seats over 13 years ago. They had 48 or less every year since.
And yet they do pass such legislations literally all the time. You just ignored it.
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I’m all for newer more progressive dems, but the way you insult and drag through the mud all the current dems is ridiculous and harmful to us all.
I think it’s ridiculous and harmful to ignore the lack of rhetoric lining up with our interests over the last 16 years as well as who they endorse and more importantly, who they don’t. It’s not remotely difficult to believe they’re complicit when they don’t stand up for civil rights for trans people, don’t call the republicans what they actually are, capitulate early for no reason on the shutdown, seriously spare us the hand-wringing, that’s all they ever offer now days. You don’t have to have power to say the right thing, and they don’t, simple as that.
It’s ridiculous if you have no knowledge of policies written in the past two decades, I guess.
The DNC has had multiple opportunities to tax the rich, raise minimum wage, and fund social programs during my lifetime and they have not done so once. I don’t believe them anymore when they say it’s their platform.
Being anti-Republican isn’t enough anymore. This shit will keep happening for as long as we allow private ownership of the means of production.
The quiet part is there wasn’t a plan to tax the rich for another decade or two when they thought shit would actually hit the fan. Shit hit the fan much sooner than they hoped, as this was an issue they were going to leave the next generation to handle. It’s more an issue of the baby boomers having had control of the DNC for decades.
Business was booming during the Obama years; why did it matter to the rich people in Congress if the rest of us had to hustle more? That’s the real reason they didn’t tax the rich when they could have, well that and they were getting tons of funding from the big businesses.
The pro-corporate Dem plans went up in flames quite a lot when Hillary was not elected. Now that shit got worse much sooner than they hoped, they’re in a rock and a hard place because they still don’t want to tax their rich buddies but the voters are actually pushing to vote them out if they keep doing nothing.
They have actually. They do those things literally every time they enter power. Maybe try searching if a statement is true before you post it.
The last legislation I can remember is the pro act, which failed. There have been progressive executive orders, progressive agency moves in the executive, progressive judges appointed, but all of this was destroyed by sleeper agent dinos. I’m also not remotely naive enough to believe that Manchin, Sinema, and Fetterman are the only ones. Legacy fossils like Dick Durbin was literally the leader and he betrayed us recently upon retirement. They’re largely career-minded capitalists through and through with few exceptions, the rotating villain shtick is fucking old. We’re dying, it’s not enough.
Biden Administration:
expanded overtime pay eligibility to millions
forgave $186 Billion of student loans despite constant pushback from Republican AGs and courts
increased audits for the rich, which payed for itself and more
allowed over-the-counter birth control to hit the markets
pardoned thousands of marijuana convictions, commuting 2500+ sentences
awarded $286 million for schools student mental health programs
replaced more federal vehicle fleets with all electric
expanded solar and wind power across the nation
drafted new anti-redlining predatory mortgage regulations which went into effect in January
a crackdown on hidden fees from service providers, ticket sellers, and banks
forced Chinese companies to properly report SEC Filings in order to remain publicly tradeable
expanded less carbon intensive farming practices in the USA
expanded nature conservation and national parks more than any past president, including $4 Billion for the preservation of the shrinking Colorado River
cut federal funding for career training programs which trap their students in more debt relative to their post-graduation earnings
brokered a peace deal in the Congo
strengthened alliance with Japan and South Korea over countering potential threats from China and North Korea
funded medical research for things like cancer, countering the previous cuts by Republicans
helped Class-A railroad workers to have industry-wide paid sick leave, albeit after he undercut their strike he still aided them in getting all of their demands in the following months
literally penned the first and then only AI oversight and regulation with his AI Executive Order
investigated grocery store price gouging and blocked mergers such as Krogers-Albertsons
The Respect for Marriage Act which protects gay marriage
protected LGBT+ Service Members and Veterans
signed multiple executive orders protecting lgbt+ throughout the federal government including “prevent and combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation” and “advance equality for LGBTQI+ individuals”
appointed the first openly LGBTQI+ Cabinet Secretary, White House Press Secretary, and White House Communications Director, the two first openly transgender people to ever be confirmed by the U.S. Senate, and the first out lesbian to achieve the rank of Ambassador.
this list goes on, and Biden wasn’t even particularly powerful given his only senate majority was 47 DNC and 3 Independents with VP tiebreaker, and only for 2 years.
Brother, I literally said there have been progressive executive orders and progressive agency moves in the second sentence and virtually all this is executive shit. The only thing I see from congress is the respect for marriage act, which was put in place as a wall to prevent backflow of civil rights that the Supreme court granted in Obergefell v Hodges. You may as well give credit to Neil Gorsuch in your effort to thank Democrats in Congress for writing the opinion that gave them the courage to act on something they should have done during the Clinton era.
You can’t complain that a party with between 45 and 48 senators isn’t passing enough legislation. They literally don’t have the votes to pass legislation unless all of the stars align and Republicans forget to filibuster. By your logic you’re giving Republicans credit for not blocking that particular piece.
Some of what I mentioned was a part of the massive Inflation Reduction Act which did a lot more than reduce inflation.
I certainly can when my criticism isn’t that they’re not passing shit they don’t have the numbers for, but rather that they don’t stand for anything that isn’t already in the public mandate. Idk how many times it needs to be mentioned, apparently more times than I have patience for.
And their campaign promises have so much value, clearly.
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I corrected this slightly, but you’re right. They know that none of it is actually going to get done, and they have the excuses already lined up: not enough votes, obstruction, filibuster, parliamentarian, etc. etc. etc.
It’s the same reason some billionaires insist that they support higher taxation on themselves, because they know it is never going to happen.
Maybe if we had more than 48 we could find out. Let’s call their bluff.
I agree.
And also, itd be great if senators like Bernie, Warren and others, actually called out their “peers” who are obviously blocking progress.
I think my two Senators: Kaine, and Warner are playing a shell game where they go as corporate as they can and still give the appearance of resistance.
And yet I ha e to vote for them until there is a viable alternative. Its just so frustrating the lack of transparency.
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Honestly, I think voting for them isn’t even enough. We have to promote them. We have to outwardly support them and not talk shit about them online or in public, or else they will lose to a Republican and we’ll be all that much worse off.
I mean, depends on your definition of “talking shit” is. If you would describe what I said as “talking sbit” I think that makes the party way too inwardly focused, and almost “cult of personality” like we see from the republicans.
The good thing about the democratic party is the wide tent and diversity of strategies. We need to be more transparent and proove ourselves since we dont (alway) have millionaire and billionaire funding.
I would not slander Democrats and still encourage voting, but to take a different stance, I cant exactly enourage Palestinians to vote for a candidate that actively promoted the genocide of their people. So its tricky, and open primaries and diqlog really clarify all that.
Muslim Imams and Leaders Letter to the Community on the 2024 Elections:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25194305-muslim-imams-and-leaders-letter-to-the-community-on-the-2024-elections-vfinal/
If they could do it then you can, too.
What do you even mean? I did vote. And just because someone feels ok voting foe someone doesnt mean others do. Are you saying all muslims are the same? Wow.
Edit to be clear, I went out and knocked doors for that election too (2024), but I refused to campaign explicitely for the higher ups, and focused on local candidates I actually believed in. This drives interest up the ticket.
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The DNC and any Democrat is better than any Republican, and their voting histories are full undeniable evidence of that.
You want a better world? Vote DNC.
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I’m sorry that you feel the need to protect the Republican Majority, I wish we could have worked towards progress together.
It was suspicious how many accounts claiming to be left-leaning all of a sudden in like, July 2024 decided to suddenly buy the lies the GOP had been selling for years that Biden was old and senile just because he has a stutter.
The DNC does need to have better primaries though. Which means people PARTICIPATING in them. But also not allowing people like Bloomberg to buy their way in. To actually HOLD primaries like they didn’t for Biden’s incumbent campaign.
Biden won the primary just like every incumbent in us history, and then he stepped down and his Vice President took over.
And when Biden won the previous primary in 2020, he actually more than doubled the runner up Bernie Sanders.
Nonsense.
Donald has the same amount of power that Clinton, Obama, and Biden had.
The problem isn’t a lack of power. It’s their predilection to enrich themselves at the expense of their constituents. The only difference is Donald isn’t offering shitty excuses like Dems do.
Biden had the least amount of power because as I mentioned the DNC have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years.
To be clear, Trump’s power comes solely from inaction in the Senate.
But, on that note, Biden accomplished a lot of great things including taxing the rich.
Totally. Genocide Joe achieved an economy that has my 80 year-old parents driving for DoorDash in a car they borrow from me, so his economy won’t render them homeless.
Awesome guy, that Joe.
Love it.
Man, you must have been a Maga until the Epstein files came out if you really believe all that. I normally try to bring reason and facts to every argument but I think this might be a tried and true “turtles all the way down” moment.
I’m not MAGA at all.
I hate partisans of both team colors, and I think it is objectively false to call Biden ‘great’ in any context. I wish he’d spent half as much time making sure Americans can eat and put a roof over his head as he did keeping his son out prison.
Every time the Dems have had a majority in my lifetime, they have failed to even discuss progressive legislation, let alone try to enact it.
The Dems had control for a few months in 2011, and that was when they passed the ACA. That was the only point in my lifetime they controlled the government.
The last time before that was 1961-1969. Which included such legislation as the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Act, though in sure you can find plenty more that was passed.
Not to mention that the Dems have absolutely been discussing progressive legislation. It’s failed to pass, passed and then been vetoed, or even at times been passed and then struck down by conservative courts.
In 2003 they banned campaign funding from PACs instead allowing only a maximum from individuals, but in 2007-2010 the SCOTUS shut it down then declared it unconstitutional.
The Inflation Reduction Act also contained a ton of good stuff not even related to Inflation.
The ACA is the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation. It is not progressive legislation.
I’m sorry that you think tens of millions of americans don’t deserve any medical care, but keep in mind they had to pass the watered down version due to Independent Joe Leiberman being the 60th vote needed to bypass the Republican Fillibuster.
No, I’m pretty sure Democrats are for more funding for ICE. Don’t project your ideals into these ghouls.
DNC have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years and now the ICE has more funding than most militaries. If you want change, vote out the Republicans, which almost always means vote DNC.
What a forsaken day to browse Lemmy
I’ve been a regular for quite awhile but I did recently move to piefed.
Feel free to make some kind of argument when you’re ready.