I’ve read Malatesta, Goldman, Kropotkin, Proudhon… Remember, tankies are obsessed with books and reading?
I just find the anarchist inability to understand the class as the revolutionary subject instead of the individual to be one of its larger failings, particularly in its contemporary Western expression, both on the ground and on the Internet.
Cool, so you’ve read the basic introductory stuff. Now stop doing the tankie thing of only reading ancient theory and treating it as dogmatic, and look into the modern evolutions. Go read some zines and other publications and understand the zeitgeist. You won’t find deep understanding in 1 or 2 large tomes but in millions of competing and evolving short texts from people with different lived experiences, or form your own belief for a better world and argue for it; be another voice shouting in the chaos of growth.
Because you larp about revolution that will never come. Anarchists recognise that rather than sit on our arses pretending that one day we will all rise up in revolt and until than we should sit back and do absolutely nothing to build the new world or fight, that we can actively create mutual-aid and fight today. And guess what, if the fucking heavens part and the mass revolution starts, we can still join in so it’s not like anything has been lost by us being proactive.
The focus on the individual is in relation to individual actions and ethics. A small group or cell is formidable and very real threat to governments, revolutionary book clubs are not.
We likewise don’t want to throw any individual into the grinder of the system because they didn’t ‘fit in’ as we’ve seen places like the USSR, China, and yes even Cuba (up until recently) do to it’s LGBT peoples and other innocent people. Ethics and morals are up to us to judge, not a state or society as a whole.
That’s what individualism is, it does not mean we hate working together or hate community. That’s tankie propaganda.
Because you larp about revolution that will never come.
“Tankies” can look to the actually existing socialist revolutions, both historical and ongoing, and be inspired by revolutions that actually came and the new world they’re actually building. There’s real things happening in the real world right now. Our revolutions have come in different parts of the world, and those revolutions are ongoing as we speak. Hence: actually existing socialism.
China lifted 800 million people out of poverty over the past four decades. Their population’s life expectancy now exceeds the US’s.
Not being a genocidal capitalist state engaged in suppressing LGBT and other peoples. Your argument is literally no different to any non-US neolib, “oh but we improved the material conditions and have a higher life expectancy than the US” but at least they can claim to be having some social freedoms.
If your entire argument is “we’re like neolibs but worse” you’re doing a terrible job selling your ideology.
I didn’t ask what you don’t have. What do you have? What has your movement built?
China still has its internal contradictions and flaws, but they also have sovereignty. They have an independent nation that’s only getting better, they’re actually building a future. Whatever criticisms of them we can have, they’re going somewhere. Life in China has only gotten better and will keep getting better, which is more than any imperial subject can say in the declining empire.
You, however, have divorced yourself from this actually existing revolution. So, what do you have? Some zines? Some online discussions? Little co-ops and cults? You’re nothing, and you’ll always be nothing. If you and every single anti-tankie “”“revolutionary”“” like you suddenly vanished, nothing would change. You have had zero impact on history and you never will.
All you can do is attack and criticize other revolutionary projects. You can’t build anything yourself.
China is changing the world. You can’t change anything at all.
What we have is people’s liberation as they fight against oppression. As they defend themselves in Rojava, in Chiapas, as they fight fascism and squat in communities across the world and seek to survive the brutality of the state.
You may be happy to trade freedoms for material gains, all you capitalists are. You sell the people out for a shiny new product, while your factories exploit the poor to line the pockets of your billionaires.
God damn. Invoking dead indigenous people who lived lives of community and relationship to justify individualism. Wild stuff, OP.
God damn, being a tankie who thinks individualists doesn’t value community and relationships. Cliche understanding, ML.
Go read some anarchist theory, you obviously know nothing about it. Probably think egoism is like right-libertarianism as well.
I’ve read Malatesta, Goldman, Kropotkin, Proudhon… Remember, tankies are obsessed with books and reading?
I just find the anarchist inability to understand the class as the revolutionary subject instead of the individual to be one of its larger failings, particularly in its contemporary Western expression, both on the ground and on the Internet.
Cool, so you’ve read the basic introductory stuff. Now stop doing the tankie thing of only reading ancient theory and treating it as dogmatic, and look into the modern evolutions. Go read some zines and other publications and understand the zeitgeist. You won’t find deep understanding in 1 or 2 large tomes but in millions of competing and evolving short texts from people with different lived experiences, or form your own belief for a better world and argue for it; be another voice shouting in the chaos of growth.
Because you larp about revolution that will never come. Anarchists recognise that rather than sit on our arses pretending that one day we will all rise up in revolt and until than we should sit back and do absolutely nothing to build the new world or fight, that we can actively create mutual-aid and fight today. And guess what, if the fucking heavens part and the mass revolution starts, we can still join in so it’s not like anything has been lost by us being proactive.
The focus on the individual is in relation to individual actions and ethics. A small group or cell is formidable and very real threat to governments, revolutionary book clubs are not.
We likewise don’t want to throw any individual into the grinder of the system because they didn’t ‘fit in’ as we’ve seen places like the USSR, China, and yes even Cuba (up until recently) do to it’s LGBT peoples and other innocent people. Ethics and morals are up to us to judge, not a state or society as a whole.
That’s what individualism is, it does not mean we hate working together or hate community. That’s tankie propaganda.
“Tankies” can look to the actually existing socialist revolutions, both historical and ongoing, and be inspired by revolutions that actually came and the new world they’re actually building. There’s real things happening in the real world right now. Our revolutions have come in different parts of the world, and those revolutions are ongoing as we speak. Hence: actually existing socialism.
China lifted 800 million people out of poverty over the past four decades. Their population’s life expectancy now exceeds the US’s.
What do you even have?
Not being a genocidal capitalist state engaged in suppressing LGBT and other peoples. Your argument is literally no different to any non-US neolib, “oh but we improved the material conditions and have a higher life expectancy than the US” but at least they can claim to be having some social freedoms.
If your entire argument is “we’re like neolibs but worse” you’re doing a terrible job selling your ideology.
I didn’t ask what you don’t have. What do you have? What has your movement built?
China still has its internal contradictions and flaws, but they also have sovereignty. They have an independent nation that’s only getting better, they’re actually building a future. Whatever criticisms of them we can have, they’re going somewhere. Life in China has only gotten better and will keep getting better, which is more than any imperial subject can say in the declining empire.
You, however, have divorced yourself from this actually existing revolution. So, what do you have? Some zines? Some online discussions? Little co-ops and cults? You’re nothing, and you’ll always be nothing. If you and every single anti-tankie “”“revolutionary”“” like you suddenly vanished, nothing would change. You have had zero impact on history and you never will.
All you can do is attack and criticize other revolutionary projects. You can’t build anything yourself.
China is changing the world. You can’t change anything at all.
What we have is people’s liberation as they fight against oppression. As they defend themselves in Rojava, in Chiapas, as they fight fascism and squat in communities across the world and seek to survive the brutality of the state.
You may be happy to trade freedoms for material gains, all you capitalists are. You sell the people out for a shiny new product, while your factories exploit the poor to line the pockets of your billionaires.
We have class struggle, you have fascism.
Now get the fuck out of here class traitor.