watch out for hypocrites and the predatory leaders of religious institutions, etc etc.
You mean, charlatans, liars and cheats? Like. You know. Jesus?
Those are far more important to me than the nonsense religious sects quibble over like whether Christ actually did miracles,
Whether or not Jesus did any miracles (or indeed faked them) is actually the essential question here. Miracles are how he demonstrates he has divine authority- which directly translates into “moral” or “spiritual” authority. without the divine authority, he’s just another dude, right? taking that a step further, and going beyond simply not doing them, but actually faking them… yeah. That’s even worse.
But in any case, you need to actually look at what Jesus actually taught. He was a jewish fundamentalist, insisting on the supremacy of, and a strict adherence to the torah and the commands of prophets. and there is a lot- and I mean a truly astonishing amount- of horrific shit in there.
Let me explain this another way. I’m sure we could find a few times Hitler said a few nice things. Do you worship Hitler? of course not. Hitler was a fucking monster. Or Stalin? Mao? Trump? All of them have almost certainly said a few things that are “nice”… but mostly they’re just monsters. (with a critical difference that all of them were actually world leaders rather than presumed wannabes.)
Just because Jesus seems to have said some things that sound nice and stuff, doesn’t make him a moral or spiritual authority any more than it would any one else. and it certainly doesn’t make him someone or something to be worshiped.
Big yikes. It’s clear you have a huge chip on your shoulder about all this. You’re insisting on your own interpretation because it gives you justification to look down on believers no matter how reasonable their faith. Because of that dependency you’re unlikely to accept any other viewpoint, so I’m going to put this “conversation” out of its misery. Toodle-oo.
You mean, charlatans, liars and cheats? Like. You know. Jesus?
Whether or not Jesus did any miracles (or indeed faked them) is actually the essential question here. Miracles are how he demonstrates he has divine authority- which directly translates into “moral” or “spiritual” authority. without the divine authority, he’s just another dude, right? taking that a step further, and going beyond simply not doing them, but actually faking them… yeah. That’s even worse.
But in any case, you need to actually look at what Jesus actually taught. He was a jewish fundamentalist, insisting on the supremacy of, and a strict adherence to the torah and the commands of prophets. and there is a lot- and I mean a truly astonishing amount- of horrific shit in there.
Let me explain this another way. I’m sure we could find a few times Hitler said a few nice things. Do you worship Hitler? of course not. Hitler was a fucking monster. Or Stalin? Mao? Trump? All of them have almost certainly said a few things that are “nice”… but mostly they’re just monsters. (with a critical difference that all of them were actually world leaders rather than presumed wannabes.)
Just because Jesus seems to have said some things that sound nice and stuff, doesn’t make him a moral or spiritual authority any more than it would any one else. and it certainly doesn’t make him someone or something to be worshiped.
Big yikes. It’s clear you have a huge chip on your shoulder about all this. You’re insisting on your own interpretation because it gives you justification to look down on believers no matter how reasonable their faith. Because of that dependency you’re unlikely to accept any other viewpoint, so I’m going to put this “conversation” out of its misery. Toodle-oo.