• IronBird@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    honest question for yall, as a AuADHD otaku guy (recovering now…i think, feels weird), whose just now coming out into the world again…

    been trying to go out to social events and stuff, like there’s there local punk dive bar that only opens once every 2-3 weeks (very overwhelming in general…why would i want to listen to music while 30 simultaneous loud conversations are going on at same time?)…

    i barely know how to interact with people let alone woman i find atteactive, how is one supposed to approach someone who otherwise has no “signals”. like they’re not wearing anything distinctive or don’t have any tattoos etc.

    so obviously if i approach then it’s because they’re hot right, but you have to like…pretend it’s for something else? but yoy have to do this in a way that comes off non-creepy/threatening but also natural? and then of course you have to think of stuff to actually talk about…

    then i catch i myself staring at them as i ponder this dilemma, probably long enough that they/their freind group noticed. rip, moment passed.

    been trying to think of natural (for me) way to approach woman at bar in situation like this and the best i got (haven’t yet had opportunity to try it) is just “hey, uh…i’m autistic. really bad at this whole socializing fhing, would you mind if i just practiced having a conversation with you?”

    can’t be the worst pickup line most have gotten, surely (not trying to “pickup”, just convenient terminology)

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      18 days ago

      Maybe do it the other way around.

      Instead of going up to attractive people and pretend to have normal conversations as cover, just have normal conversations with everyone and eventually you’ll find yourself having a conversation with someone you find attractive.

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        18 days ago

        This is it. Make friends first. Relationships might come later.

        Otherwise its like trying to kayak without having a paddle.

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      18 days ago

      Try to find hobbies you enjoy that involve being in the same physical space together.

      Don’t assume you have to go to “designated social places” like bars, clubs, etc.

      In terms of not using a hobby space to pick up—right, try to avoid that. I know it’s hard but go into every conversation without any pressure for it to be romantic.

      I’m not convinced there’s a friend zone in the sense that if you are “too platonic for too long” you will lose an opportunity on some window that only opened once. Folks can correct me if I’m wrong though.

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        18 days ago

        that is why i go to this bar, they only open once or twice a month, normally have 2-3 new/unkown local punk bands opening. is good way to discover new music

        I assume that is why most everyone else there is coming out to that punk dive bar too, like a dive dive bar you know?

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          18 days ago

          My bad, I thought you were going to a bar/space that you didn’t personally enjoy.

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    18 days ago

    I have seen the same message often, although slightly different. Like “Don’t teach girls how to avoid being raped, teach boys not to rape!”. Always trying to make the message with slight humor.

    If telling people not to rape would be enough, there would be no rapists.

    Is there really anyone out there who doesn’t know that raping someone is fucked up?

    Do they think there are rapists out there, who aresimply not aware of that? “Oh, I didn’t know, my bad.”

    There are evil people everywhere. People without empathy. People who only think of themselves. Trying to “teach” them? Good luck.

    Teach girls how to defend themselves. Make people aware of the signs of abuse. Call the police and help whoever you can, because rapists won’t disappear by telling them not to. They need to be caught and put behind bars, for the rest of their life.

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      18 days ago

      Is there really anyone out there who doesn’t know that raping someone is fucked up?

      Everyone agrees rape is bad. But there are plenty of people with a very narrow definition of rape. They think rape is only when someone forces themselves against a kicking and screaming victim. Teaching young boys not to rape means teaching them about consent, how to confirm it, knowing it can be revoked at any time. It means calling out your friend’s bad behavior. Also, we can still teach girls to defend themselves too. Nobody is saying we shouldn’t do that. Just that it shouldn’t be considered the main solution. That’s a victim-blaming mindset that minimizes all of the social norms enabling rape and sexual violence.

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        Of course we should teach kids about consent! Of course we should not blame the victim! That was not the point of my post.

        The message I hate is “don’t use these tips to minimize the chances to be raped, just teach boys not to rape”, as if that would be so easy. This meme is the same, making fun of useful tips.