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  • From a recent article on this topic:

    Critics have pointed out No Kings’ lack of a policy platform as a flaw, a sign that the movement has no real demands.

    Marcus Board Jr, a political scientist at Howard University and author of Invisible Weapons: Infiltrating Resistance and Defeating Movements, argues that the standard by which we judge movements – did they produce legislation? Did they win federal policy changes? – reflects an outdated model of political change, one built for a different era. “The legislative and federal route made us think that we could change the world without changing people,” he said. “That’s just not the case.”

    The real measure of success, Greenberg said, is what happens in the weeks and months after No Kings: how many people who came out for the first time get asked to the next meeting, the next training, the next organizing effort.

    “It’s about the day of, but it’s also about how many people get asked: ‘Hey, can you come to a follow-up meeting? We’re going to talk about our neighborhood’s fight against this warehouse for ICE,’” Greenberg said. “Those are going to be the things that help us see: are we absorbing more people? Are we trying new tactics? Are we getting more people into the fight?”

    The point of No Kings isn’t to magically end the Trump regime in one day. It’s to onboard folks into the resistance movement so that they can work collectively at chipping away the pillars of support of the Trump regime—over the course of months and, if needed, years.


  • On the subject of starving, we’re of course not there yet (at the same scale). But have you seen what’s going on in this country with affordability under this regime? Things on that front aren’t really going in a favorable direction…

    But I think your broader point is that there were often “mitigating” factors coincident with any nonviolent revolution in history then helped nudge it along, and with that I would agree. The question for us is whether any such factors (maybe ones specific to our country instead of specific to these past revolutions) are either present here now or about to be present here.

    I will pick on your point about more size equaling more cops, etc. The U.S. is one of the biggest countries by area, but it ranks below South Korea, Iran, and Lithuania for police officers per capita. In fact, I’d argue that because of its size, there just aren’t enough police to patrol the entire area of the country.

    Now on the subject of military and federal agents, it’s a different story of course. But that’s where we get back to strengths and weaknesses. I’m advocating that we don’t mount an armed revolution in part because the U.S. government is so incredibly armed to the teeth. That’s their strength. But when people are boycotting businesses or refusing to work or engaging in work slowdowns or any number of other non-violent tactics… How does a giant military do anything against that—without losing any scraps of support it still has? We are taking their strength, and making it useless against us.



  • witten@lemmy.worldtoComic Strips@lemmy.worldOptical illusion
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    3 days ago

    First, where did I say anything about talking to the fascists? Or say anything about taking away people’s guns? Seriously, I wonder who the hell you’re arguing against, because it sure isn’t me.

    And yes, the regime is murdering people in the streets and breaking the economy. But only the parts of the economy that aren’t propping up their regime. What do you think would happen if they could no longer find hotels for the ICE agents they send around the country to harass and murder people? If nobody would feed the agents or launder their uniforms? Or rent them cars? Or fly the airplanes needed to send kidnapped people to foreign countries?

    Our strength as the masses is in our economic leverage. And it’s about damned time we played to our strengths instead of trying to meet the enemy at theirs.


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    You’re a big tough guy, so I’m pretty sure you’ve heard of The Art of War by Sun Tzu. One of the premises of that book is that you should attack your enemy where they’re weakest, not where they’re strongest. Makes sense, right? Well where do you think the Trump regime is strongest? Put another way, who do you think would win in a shootout between, say, the U.S. Army and a ragtag bunch of armed leftists?

    So if we can’t fight the regime where they’re strongest, where can we fight them? Economically. We can stop giving our hard-earned money to the companies that prop up the regime. We can do work stoppages to halt the engines that power the regime. And we can raise awareness of these issues (yes, sometimes by protests but also with other tactics) so this becomes a mass movement that has the power to actually topple the regime’s pillars of support.