It’s much better quality.

Give it a go - it’s way better than the not-from-concentrates crap, even while being cheaper.

It’s amazing how well the marketing worked to sell an inferior product for more money.

Turns out when they pasteurize it it destroys most of the flavor, so then they re-add flavor artificially extracted from other juice. “Not from concentrate” arguably, but very highly processed.

Juice from frozen concentrate is still far from as good as fresh-squeezed, but it’s a whole lot closer than the “not from concentrate” sludge. And ironically cheaper. It’s particularly good slightly under-diluted.

You’re not making any sense.

Good beans are ruined with dark roasts.

That’s my point, you’re making from me, before your patronizing bullshit. I know coffee you fuckwit. And I know that a bad roast can render the bean quality irrelevant, therefore it’s more significant than bean quality. And it illustrates that the a linear progression of importance doesn’t make a lot of sense.

But just carry on assuming nobody else knows anything and they’re just confused, it’ll probably make you happier.

But an oily dark roast on good beans will taste almost identical to an oily dark roast on shitty beans.

Ultimately though, we’re just disagreeing on a simple linear ordering because a simple linear ordering is inadequate to describe it.

Oh I think roast is primary. Too dark or light ruins any beans. I’d rather have well roasted ordinary beans than fancy beans badly over or under roasted. I’d rather have no coffee frankly, in some cases.

Never pre-ground if you care about taste.

Hoffman was surprised to find that it only took 24 hours before his high end coffee tasted inferior to fresh ground ordinary beans. (Unless I’m misremembering details but that was the gist).

A decent hand grinder still works on a budget. It’s easy to get the grind done while the water heats. Also a great thing for travel and camping.