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  • Tesla is moving as much manufacturing out of California as it can. The only reason it started in California was that there was already a factory there from a company that had already vacated it years ago after it had unionized, the only unionized Toyota plant in the U.S. to this day. Tesla was more interested in getting manufacturing started as quickly as possible than it was in reducing costs, so it took over an existing factory instead of building one in a “right to work” state and paid workers enough not to unionize or stop work. Now that Tesla has factories in Texas, it has shut down production of the Model X and Model S, which were produced in California, in hopes of eventually vacating or replacing entirely with robot workers, which are the only thing they’re making there now.

    Dude, I already told you I’m in California. I know what’s happening here.


  • Not if they get penalized for it more than they benefit from breaking the law, and California is strict about enforcing labor laws.

    Look man, in addition to being counterproductive, the actions you’re defending have a lot of collateral damage. It’s similar to Israel saying that they should be able to bomb Gaza to get terrorists even though the bombings also affect children, which is another example of an action that is both counterproductive and has a lot of collateral damage.






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    As I’ve already explained, the only way to solve that problem is security measures. Even if they pay people well, that doesn’t stop a disgruntled or temporarily insane employee from destroying the warehouse.

    Collective bargaining extracts as much value out of the employer as the employer gets from placing the warehouse in that location.


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    Whether they pay workers more or not, they need to worry about arson, so they’ll solve that problem first by imposing draconian security measures. Once they solve that problem, underpaying workers is no longer a problem for them.

    I’m a history buff. The NLRA is why unions work now where before there was a lot of labor-related violence.


  • Unionists didn’t use violence because they didn’t have “legal protection,” they did it because capitalists and police would break their bodies either if they worked or resisted. They’d call in militias to bash unionist skulls, they’d pay them in scrip and prevent them or their children from ever freeing themselves.

    Those are all illegal now. That’s why unionizing works now where it didn’t before.

    I don’t buy your concern for these communities at all, have you tried to check if there was any harm?

    I live in California. Air quality is always an issue, whether it’s from wildfires or avgas from local airports. These cause real health issues, and the latter causes measurable IQ drops in the poor communities surrounding those airports. Industrial fires are something we need to worry about just like Tehranis have to worry about oil refinery fires.


  • They responded with violence because there were no legal protections for labor unions. Those protections exist in California.

    Burning a warehouse is the least effective way to help people. The arsonist ends up in jail, the surrounding community suffers health problems, and the warehouse owners put more security and restrictions on employees instead of paying them more. Unionizing forces the warehouse owner to meet the demands of the workers.



  • The fact he still believes we need another conservative party does not look good.

    He looks senile. He is.

    As for voting progressive, boy, Biden and Pelosi sure were voting progressive a lot of the time with funding police.

    Progressives want community policing. They don’t want no police. You’re confusing progressives with anarchists.

    But you won’t convince me or many other leftists to choose a lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever false dichotomy you call come up with.

    I’m more leftist than you are, and I’ve already convinced several. The key idea is that we should always do the best we can. If the choice is between bombing Iran and not bombing Iran, I choose not bombing Iran. If the choice is between sanctioning West Bank settlers and getting aid to Gaza and not doing those things, I choose the former. If the choice is between teaching Americans black history as American history and not teaching black history, I choose the former. If the choice is between helping refugees and removing their legal status after they’re already in the country and deporting them, you can guess which one I’m going to choose.

    While I make these choices, I convince others who aren’t as progressive as me why the progressive policies that aren’t yet popular make sense, so the next time around, we’ll have the votes for it. In just the same way, I convince progressives who don’t think through the consequences of their actions why they need to, so we have the votes not to backslide into regressive policies. I don’t agree with anybody I vote for 100% of the time, but I do understand that voting for them is better than the alternative. Imagine if people who wanted equal rights for black people didn’t vote for Lincoln because he said he didn’t think that blacks should marry whites or go to the same schools (read the Lincoln Douglas debate transcripts).


  • So I’m hearing then they also cannot manage to keep themselves in order with their overall arching message of Resistance as well.

    Nobody is going to get 100% of their members to vote a certain way, especially if their votes don’t matter. This is true for any political party, even your favored one. When their votes do matter, Democrats vote consistently more progressively than the alternative.

    Also yeah, let’s not forget voting to fund ICE and DHS.

    ICE was funded by the OBBBA. All Democrats voted against it in both houses and even convinced several Republicans to vote against it to the point that Vance had to cast a tie-breaking vote.

    Oh also remember when Biden said we need Republicans as much as Democrats?

    Biden is senile. He said a bunch of crazy things, but he didn’t say we need Republicans as much as Democrats. He said that we need a Republican Party that is principled and strong. It’s precisely a lack of principles and backbone that resulted in the GOP’s Trump takeover.