If baking a loaf makes you enough money to make a loaf. Who is paying the farmer for the wheat to make that loaf?

Well yes, the LLMs are not the ones that actually generate the images. They basically act as a translator between the image generator and the human text input. Well, just the tokenizer probably. But that’s beside the point. Both LLMs and image generators are generative AI. And have similar mechanisms. They both can create never-before seen content by mixing things it has “seen”.

I’m not claiming that they didn’t use CSAM to train their models. I’m just saying that’s this is not definitive proof of it.

It’s like claiming that you’re a good mathematician because you can calculate 2+2. Good mathematicians can do that, but so can bad mathematicians.

We have all been children, we all know the anatomical differences.

It’s not like children are alien, most differences are just “this is smaller and a slightly different shape in children”. Many of those differences can be seen on fully clothed children. And for the rest, there are non-CSAM images that happen to have nude children. As I said earlier, it is not uncommon for children to be fully nude in beaches.

And you’re fucking retarded. Thank you for your contribution to this conversation.

What you don’t think?

Why does being a parent give any authority in this conversation?

Yes, privacy should be the default. However, there is a limit for what is practical.

A VPN adds latency to your connection. It adds an additional failure point. If you don’t need it, why use it? Most people don’t need privacy at that level.

Additionally VPNs are not free.

For the ones that claim to be free, you have to remember that if you’re not paying, you are the product.

What privacy do VPNs provide to the average user when not doing anything illegal? Absolutely zero. You might claim “but VPNs hide my traffic from my ISP!” And it is true, but in doing so you expose it to the VPN provider. In the end, unless you operate your own network, you will have to tell someone where you are going. Using a VPN is just kicking the can.

Of course if your ISP is known for doing shady stuff and there is a VPN that you fully trust, it may be worth it.

But I swear the VPN industry has wiped people’s minds with millions of ads so they’re not thinking anymore.

The wine thing could prove me wrong if someone could answer my question.

But I don’t think my theory is that wild. LLMs can interpolate, and that is a fact. You can ask it to make a bear with duck hands and it will do it. I’ve seen images on the internet of things similar to that generated by LLMs.

Who is to say interpolating nude children from regular children+nude adults is too wild?

Furthermore, you don’t need CSAM for photos of nude children.

Children are nude at beaches all the time, there probably are many photos on the internet where there are nude children in the background of beach photos. That would probably help the LLM.

Did it have any full glasses of water? According to my theory, It has to have data for both “full” and “wine”

Tbf it’s not needed. If it can draw children and it can draw nude adults, it can draw nude children.

Just like it doesn’t need to have trained on purple geese to draw one. It just needs to know how to draw purple things and how to draw geese.

That is actually a rare occurrence.

Thank you for being honest and logical

Yeah, you responded with something that doesn’t support your original claim at all.

What you are trying to do is called moving the goalpost.

If you acknowledge that your original claim is bullshit and want to move the goalpost, it’s fine, but you have to say that you’re doing so.

Like this:

Yeah, I originally said that they’re doing that nowadays, but after some research, I have found that my claim has no basis in truth. However, I found this post from oracle that I want to discuss about.

Then sure, I can choose to engage with this new goalpost or not. But I refuse to argue with a moved goalpost if you don’t even admit that you moved it.

I see you got confused again. Let me display your original statement:

Nowadays the big AI companies use closed-loop water cooling

They “plan to do it”. They are not doing it. Try again.

Also, it’s oracle, their word means nothing. Them “planning” is just either “tell them we’re gonna do it and just don’t do it” or “we have to have an alternative plan in case the government grows some balls and regulates us”.

Here’s a report by the UK government. Page 4 contains basically the same thing as I said. Which sources if you wanna go deeper:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/688cb407dc6688ed50878367/Water_use_in_data_centre_and_AI_report.pdf

The same place where every other form of water consumption goes: to the water cycle.

If your argument is “that evaporated water will just rain again” then you’re arguing that water consumption is not real, and people should not care about wasting water.

That is not true. Most of the water of the water cycle is in the ocean. When you consume water, you are turning 100% high value fresh water into mostly low value salt water.

I see you are confused. Let me help you. Here is your original claim:

Nowadays the big AI companies use closed-loop water cooling

It would be, if AI companies cared at all about anything but their wallet.

They also use a fuckton of electricity, many sources of electricity consume water.

They also require a fuckton of electronics, which require water to be manufactured.

Sure thing

Proceeds to not give a single source supporting original claims.

No. The problem is that kids have nothing else to do. The only fun thing left is the phone.

They can’t go alone and play out there, they may get hit by a car or their parents might get in trouble. They have to always be supervised by an adult, but there are almost no places with adults to watch for the kids, they have to bring their dedicated parent. And parents have to work way too many hours, they don’t have time to watch the kid play for all the time the kid needs to play.

Furthermore, everything that is fun to kids is illegal. “No skating here”, “no playing with a ball here”. Where can kids play? They don’t have a car to go to a remote place where playing is allowed. They should have areas where they can play relatively close to home.

And I say this as a European. In America all these problems are 10x worse, I can’t imagine what that would do to a kid. Maybe the suburbanites can play in their lawns. But the ones in cities are out of luck.

In some places it is mandatory