I’d potentially be open to watching an original YA space IP, but I don’t consider that Star Trek, it’s just slapping a Star Trek label on a thing, which actually harms both brands.

Sure, but TOS is soooo much more than Twilight Zone in space. Is Kurtzman Trek really more than [insert YA series] in space?

Every Kurtzman Trek product has operated at a loss so far, and it’s not like they’re making that up on merch… there’s a rumor out there that Les Moonves signed an insane contract with Kurtzman out of spite for being metooed on his way out where they need to pay a flat $250mil to Kurtzman to STOP making these… doesn’t seem like an insane theory when you have literally $2 billion spent on Star Trek content with a viewership under a million people.

They put up the first episode of Academy for free on youtube 4 days ago and it’s averaged like 2000 views per hour. The episode cost $10 million to make. It’s not sustainable to expend these Kurtzman budgets for the audience it gets economically. It’s not like there’s kids lining up at Walmart to buy Discovery toys. Star Trek: Enterprise was averaging 2.9 million viewers per episode with a MUCH smaller budget when it was cancelled.

It is sad. Kurtzman ruined a franchise that is probably doomed to be discontinued imminently for lack of interest. If you can’t tell the difference between moments of levity in Berman Trek and the tone issue in Kurtzman Trek…

I’d argue what defined Berman Trek in particular was being something uniquely high-minded and intelligent that was truly NOT [other series] in space by any measure. I also find it hard to believe that Wagon Train is terribly similar to OG Trek beyond people go place to place on a frontier, but maybe Wagon Train is way more cerebral and involves more strange fiction tropes than I would think, I’ve never seen it.

That episode’s tone is more horror than anything else. It’s the application of something childish as something unsettling, like Children of The Corn or Weapons. It is decidedly NOT the same tone as Tig Notaro being whacky.

They’re all great shows, which are not Star Trek.

This is a problem across all Kurtzman Trek from Discovery to his latest affront.

Those choices are attracting an exponentially smaller audience, but like I said, you won, go enjoy Gossip Girl in space, its your franchise now.

Red Letter Media just had a video about how Kurtzman Trek people who point to that DS9 scene overtly never saw that episode and looked up “silly Trek Scene” on Google. Same applies to your other gifs, tbh. You have overtly never seen these episodes. I don’t see why you kids even bother arguing. You won. All 3000 of you get to enjoy Vampire Diaries in space while millions of old men weep…

It’s deeply unserious.

If you can’t see how Kurtzman Trek is vastly crasser and dumber than Berman Trek, I don’t know what to tell you.

Okay, you don’t value the tone of pre-Kurtzman Trek. Great, it’s your series and IP nobody cares about anymore at this point, you won. Enjoy Holly Hunter’s The Magicians in space. I liked a prior version of the IP, which in my humble opinion was better via being actually popular.

Exactly, these people are supposed to be the most psychologically and mentally and physically tested people in the galaxy. It was a scandal in TNG when Lt “Broccoli” was less than 110% because this is supposed to be the Delta Force of a more enlightened era when we expend our energy on peace and prosperity, so everyone tried to get him up to Enterprise spec, and he did, and it was a win for everyone. Can you imagine a Discovery character on a Berman Trek bridge?

Woke Kurtzman Trek is actually oddly misogynist if you think about it. Captain Janeway is a real, respectable officer who can go toe to toe with any man (or other) she encounters, because she’s badass, and a rock-solid Starfleet officer in the mold of Kirk, Picard, and Sisko. Holly Hunter curled up in the captain’s chair like she’s getting cozy at home in front of a fire is a BAD look. Diverse casts of all shapes and orientations swearing at each other and acting like it’s high school, not a representation of a federation of hundreds of billions of sentients is a BAD look. Woke, dumb Kurtzman Trek portrays more female and diverse crews as less professional and dumber than their predecessors in Berman Trek, which I’m pretty sure is the opposite of what they’re trying to achieve.

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